Fatherhood. One of the most beautiful aspects of life in the human cycle. To raise one's own into a functioning member of society with the sacred arts of love, care, and abandonme- er… compassion. This goes double for the relationship between father and son, with the ability to spend quality time doing leisurely activities such as playing catch, learning about puberty, and throwing each other off of cliffs. Even through the darkest times and the most dangerous of predicaments, it’s important to realize that you will always have your million dollar business as your greatest treasure in life.
No not the son fuck that nonsense.
Heihachi Mishima, the proud owner of the Mishima Zaibatsu and father to Kazuya Mishima (and Lars). Geese Howard, the Howard Connection’s esteemed owner and father to Rock Howard. Whether it’s their inability to stay dead, their corporate influence, or their A+ parenting techniques, these martial arts masters have made their mark in fighting game history, showcasing their might to all who oppose them. When these two meet in battle, whose iron fist will stand at the top to become the mighty king?
What do you mean Tekken 7 exists?
In Case You’re Wondering...
The reason for us using King of Fighters as primary evidence for Geese despite being a different timeline from the original Fatal Fury is that King of Fighters has at this point become the canon itself. As in, it’s become THE primary source for many of the FF cast. Likewise, Tekken’s canon has never been all that consistent, so things like Tag and the OVAs will be fair game.
Background
Heihachi Mishima
“Come back when you’re ready to fight.”
Picture a father and son spending quality time together in the wilderness. After such a wonderful day full of roughhousing fun, the son’s finally all tuckered out. The father, exasperated at his spirited little scamp, nevertheless tenderly scoops the boy up…
And chucks him over a cliffside.
Truly, the sort of dad many of us would prefer.
Now picture an old man, wealthy tycoon and CEO of a worldwide conglomerate (something he completely earned all on his own, and without starving his father to death). One day, he’s sought out by his long-lost grandchild, left orphaned and alone by the cruel whims of fate. Of course, though the old man has quite the curmudgeonly reputation, he still has a heart beating deep down. So he takes his grandchild in, teaches him the ways of life...
And then shoots him in the head.
Finally, picture someone who, upon seeing an abandoned bear cub, decides to not only raise it as a pet, but train it in martial arts so he can later employ it as his own personal bodyguard.
Heihachi Mishima is a complicated man, whose fate was forever changed the night he murdered his beloved wife.
Trust us, he was... sort of... kind of justified, this time.
You see, Kazumi Mishima was a devil. No facetiousness, here--nor figures of speech. Kazumi had an actual genetic condition that, when tapped into, could transform her into a demonic entity. Plot twist #2: the only reason she married Heihachi in the first place was because she was destined to kill him if he ever became a threat to the world.
Faced with these horrific revelations, Heihachi proceeded to uppercut Kazumi in the groin and snap her neck with a tear in his eye.
But the Devil Gene wasn’t done with Heihachi, not by a long shot. Remember that cliffside incident? Y’know, with his son? That was both the catalyst to Kazuya Mishima’s Devil Awakening and (combined with Kazumi’s death) the spark which lit the flame of cross-generational hatred for decades to come.
Here’s a simple highlight reel of said decades.
Kazuya trained in martial arts ‘till adulthood, entered Heihachi’s King of Iron Fist Tournament, beat Heihachi… and threw him off a cliff. Hah.
Not one to be outdone, Heihachi underwent a training arc of his own, entered Kazuya’s King of Iron Fist Tournament, beat Kazuya… and threw him into a volcano.
Kazuya’s son (and Heihachi’s grandson), Jin, entered the equation. He’d walk off being shot in the head, and go on to start World War 3 for the good of humanity.
Somehow, Kazuya returned.
Sadly, Heihachi died… BUT HE LIVED.
Akuma from Street Fighter took his sweet time with fulfilling his promise to assassinate Heihachi and Kazuya on Kazumi’s behalf.
Eventually, enough was enough.
Picture, if you will, a father and son, looking to put an end to their destructive cycle, their bloody family feud, once and for all. Inside an active volcano, they decide to meet face-to-face and go head-to-head one final time. They fight with everything they have-- every honed technique, every wild emotion and every ounce of willpower stretched to its absolute limit. At last… at long, long last... one man falls, his life spent.
And so, the son dunks his father into the lava below.
Geese Howard
“I’ll stain my hands… with your blood.”
Certainly they existed...
Those blinded by ambition.
Those consumed by vengeance.
But here they do not exist.
Only winners
and losers here.
For here, THE MIGHTY RULE!
“Where is here,” you ask? Why, none other than Southtown, USA: home to crime, crime and more crime. Fortunate, then, that it’s also home to Howard Connection, a powerful public protection agency dedicated to keeping the people of Southtown safe. Unfortunately, its actual primary connection happens to be toward the mafia.
Think of it as a corporate ouroboros.
And at the head of this self-devouring snake, there was a single man blinded by ambition. A single man… named Geese.
Born to an American woman and an Austrian terrorist, Geese and his mother (poor in every way) were promptly left to rot in Southtown. As you’d expect, Geese worked multiple odd jobs for the both of them, but still couldn’t make enough to keep Mrs. Howard healthy and fed. With his mother’s untimely passing, Geese was consumed by vengeance, deciding to cope by traveling abroad to assassinate his deadbeat father.
This plan ended with his 9-year-old half-brother beating the everloving shit out of him.
PREDICTABLY (and justifiably) humiliated, Geese did what anybody would and became a weeaboo. Oh, and he also trained in the martial arts school of Hyakkokuseiken. See, from Geese’s point of view, he’d learned first-hand that in this world, it’s power that grants results-- nothing else. PREDICTABLY (and justifiably), Master Tung Fu Rue disagreed, seeing Geese as unfit to learn the most sacred arts. So instead, he passed them onto one Jeff Bogard.
Geese took this well.
Severing his ties to the school, Geese focused his rage and indignation into something productive: returning to Southtown, overthrowing the local kingpin and establishing a criminal empire which controlled everything. And when that dastardly Jeff Bogard had the nerve to show up years later and become a pillar of the community, Geese wasted no time putting him in his place.
A.K.A. six feet under.
Certain that this wouldn’t come back to bite him, Geese enjoyed himself for the next ten years. He even got himself married, and sired a son whom he named Rock, further proving the Howard bloodline’s impeccable taste with names. Now, sure, Geese promptly… left his wife and son to... rot in poverty, and… even turned the boy away when he sought financial aid for his... deathly ill mother…
But “Rock Howard” sure has a nice ring to it!
Unfortunately for Geese, those ten years came to an abrupt end. In another bout of deja vu, Jeff’s own son had been hard at work becoming a mixed-martial arts master, determined to avenge his father’s assassination. In the final rounds of the King Of Fighters tournament Geese himself ran, he’d come face-to-fist with the man, THE MYTH, THE “LEGENDARY HUNGRY WOLF” HIMSELF…
Terry. Bogard.
“OKAY” story short, Geese took a dive out his skyscraper window. Though he’d survive to terrorize Southtown on multiple occasions, he’d ultimately find himself in the same sticky situation: defeated by Terry, and moments away from falling to his doom. Mr. Bogard, being the good man he is, attempted to save his most hated nemesis.
But Geese Howard merely laughed.
For here, the mighty rule. And those who are blinded by ambition or consumed by vengeance... cannot exist.
Equipment
Heihachi
Rocket
Whenever Heihachi needs to get rid of some pesky family members or some random assholes that annoy him he’ll do it the old fashioned way…by strapping them to a rocket and launching them out into space! Because why not!
Pistol
In case he ever needs to backstab his grandson with a bullet to the face.
Geese
(Geese does not carry any equipment)
Abilities
Heihachi
Ki Manipulation
Heihachi has learned the art of ki control, and as a result, can channel the element of lightning, amping his strikes to absurd degrees.
Martial Arts
With decades of experience under his belt, Heihachi is among the world’s greatest hand-to-hand combatants. He uses the Mishima Style Fighting Karate, but his style is influenced by Goju-Ryu Karate, which translates to Hard-Soft Style. This style utilizes both circular and linear movements which combine hard striking attacks such as kicks and close hand punches with softer open hand circular techniques for attacking, blocking, and controlling the opponent such as joint locks, grappling, takedowns, and throws.
Ascended Heihachi
When Heihachi truly stops holding back, he achieves this unofficially named form often dubbed “Ascended''. Aside from getting the cool ripped shirt anime powerup look, Heihachi overloads himself with his electric ki, and becomes a much more dangerous foe. Who needs a Devil Gene anyway?
Command Moves
Electric Wind God Fist
Signature Mishima move, a rising upper covered in electricity that sends the opponent into the air. Perfect uses for juggling.
Dragon Uppercut
Heihachi takes a step to dash, then crouches and proceeds to do a rising fist to send opponents flying.
Demon Breath
A powerful double palm strike.
Spinning Demon
Another signature Mishima move. A multi-hit spinning low kick that sweeps opponents at their feet, Heihachi can choose to end it off with either an axe kick or an uppercut.
Broken Toy
Heihachi grabs his opponent by the neck before ruthlessly throwing them.
Stonehead
Heihachi grabs his opponent’s head, before stomping on their foot and bashing his head in against them.
Heaven’s Wrath
Heihachi’s reversal attack. At the cost of some health, Heihachi takes his opponent’s blow as he does a stance and kicks them back.
Neckbreaker
Heihachi puts his opponent in a chokehold, before breaking their neck.
Jumping Powerbomb
Heihachi grabs the opponent as he jumps up in the air with them, only to slam them on the ground with a powerbomb.
Atomic Drop
Heihachi grabs his opponent from the back and slams them down on his knee.
Fire Starter
Heihachi grabs the opponent by the shoulders to do a quick headbutt.
Headbutt Carnival
Heihachi gets into a headbutt session with the opponent, the person who headbutts last will knock the opponent down.
Rage Drive
Used as a follow up to Rashomon(not to be confused with Geese’s), Heihachi does an electrically charged headbutt to slam the opponent into the ground.
Rage Art
Heihachi punches his opponent by the gut, before launching his opponent to the air with two hits as he does a stance and hits with a double palm strike.
Ascended Heihachi Rage Art
Similarly to his Rage Art, Heihachi begins with a punch to the stomach, then continues with two succeeding blows to the chest and stomach again, before he headbutts his opponent as they bounce off the ground and finishes with a double palm strike.
Geese
Martial Arts
Geese is a master martial artist, being trained in several styles and being more than lethal with each one of them. Geese is a known practitioner of:
Aikijutsu: A style that focuses on grapple techniques, like throws and locks. This is often employed with Geese’s counters and his follow-ups after striking an opponent down.
Karate: Geese’s overall fighting ability seems to derive from several Japanese martial arts, and the art of karate is present within his striking attacks.
Kickboxing: Geese also utilizes this as this is mixed with karate and boxing. A style mainly for using kicks.
Chi Manipulation
In addition to martial arts, Geese is a practitioner of the Hakkyokuseiken fighting style. He is able to gather, control and catalyze chi energy from Gaia (basically the planet) to fight in addition to his traditional Japanese martial arts. He can amp his physicality further, and manifest chi into powerful attacks.
Super Moves
Reppuken
Geese swings his arm, creating a crescent-shaped wave of energy that travels along the ground. If it hits a projectile, the projectile will be cancelled out.
Double Reppuken
Geese creates two crescent-shaped waves of energy.
Shippuken
Geese fires an orb of energy that travels diagonally through the air.
Double Shippuken
Geese launches two orbs of energy.
Explosion Ball
Geese hits his opponent with a chi-infused back fist, then uppercuts them.
Ja’ei Ken
Geese dashes toward the opponent and performs a swift combo, ending with a palm strike to knock them away. In some games, the final punch is followed by an explosion of chi.
Fudōken (A, Un, Ba)
Geese delivers a swift palm strike to his opponent, followed by either a double palm attack, an overhead kick, or a sweeping kick. The attack is meant to disrupt the enemy defense.
Jōdan'ateminage
(PREDICTABO)
Geese is famously known for his variety of counters and parries. Whether they are to fill his ego or a legitimate fighting strategy, he has developed a ton of them. The one above is probably the most famous where he slams the opponent to the ground.
Chūdan'ateminage
Geese blocks an opponent’s attack and counters by grabbing them by the head and swinging them around to the other side.
Gedan Atemi-Uchi
Geese blocks a low attack attack and backhands his opponent away.
Raimeigōha Nage
Geese grabs his opponent by the head and slams them into the ground as a bolt of lightning strikes them.
Thunder Break
Used in both KoF games and Real Bout Fatal Fury, Geese channels his chi and unleashes it into the ground to summon lightning bolts from the sky.
Deadly Rave
Used ever since Art of Fighting 2, this move has had various revisions across multiple entries, but the general gist is a series of punches Geese unleashes back to back, finishing on a powerful chi-infused blow (or sometimes just straight-up explosion).
Raigou Reppuu Ken
Geese creates a stronger Reppuken infused with the power of electricity that hits up to 4 times.
Oni Hammon
A counter where Geese strikes a pose. If his opponent attacks him, he’ll grab them by the head and slam them into the ground with enough force to create a shockwave.
Raging Storm
Geese channels chi into his hands and slams them into the ground, creating two columns of energy around himself. On some occasions, Geese can even increment the power of this technique. By doing so, it changes its usual blue hue for a more reddish one.
Rashomon
Geese taunts his opponent before uppercutting them into the air. He then begins swinging both arms in opposite directions while charging chi into them, and as his opponent falls, he delivers a two-handed palm strike to their midsection.
Feats
Heihachi
Overall
Created the King of Iron Fist Tournament and hosted it many times
Ran the Mishima Zaibatsu for decades before his grandson took over
Was forced to take it back when Jin Kazama went missing, decided to do so by just infiltrating the base, utterly kicking the asses of all the heavily armed guards, and defeating Nina Williams, eventually getting his opposition to surrender
Brilliant businessman
Ambushed by Kazumi but killed her
Has crushed numerous JACK armies time and time again
Has fought against Kazuya and Jin and lived to tell the tale (though Kazuya would eventually kill him)
Regularly participates in the Mishima family ritual of throwing each other off cliffs
Threw hands with Akuma (technically this should be a different Akuma from the one in SF canon)
Power
Described as a human with the strength of a devil
Stronger than Paul, who shattered a rock in one punch
Clashed fists with Kazuya and Jin, which resulted in damaging the top of Kyoto’s castle
Superior to Raven, who’s strong enough to lift up and throw NANCY-MI847J
Superior to Feng Wei, who destroyed an entire mountain in a single strike (42.55-367 kilotons of TNT)
Feng also destroyed a large lava rock
Far superior to the Jack-6 model of Jack robot, which once destroyed a meteor with several punches (900.57 megatons of TNT)
Fought on par with Kazuya, who caused a volcano eruption
Kazuya in his Devil Form also made the Mishima Zaibatsu compound vanish
Being comparable to Kazuya should allow him to naturally be on par with Lars (who fought Kazuya), who defeated large portions of the Tekken cast
Speed
Caught a tomahawk thrown at him by Michelle Chang...with his teeth
Caught a bullet...also with his teeth
Evaded bullets from a highly advanced rifle after they were fired, and practically at a point-blank distance
Agile enough to kick away missiles
Faster than the Jack robots, who can react to a satellite laser (Mach 12.26)
Comparable to Jin and Kazuya, who can punch well above the speed of sound;
Devil Jin flew out of orbit in seconds (Mach 568.92)
Comparable to characters who can dodge Kazuya’s laser, which can reach into space (0.02c)
Durability
Survived being dropped off the same cliff he dropped Kazuya off of when Kazuya was 5
Survived being slammed through a stone wall and stomped on by Devil Jin
Survived powerful blows from normal and Devil Kazuya, and kept on fighting
Survived Akuma’s Raging Demon, which also means he has soul hax resistance
Superior to Bryan Fury, who took an onslaught of bullets and a blast from a tank
Withstood the self-destruction of several Jack-4’s, which he was at the epicenter of
Comparable to Kazuya, who survived a volcanic eruption (163.57 megatons of TNT)
Comparable to Kazuya, who survived a satellite beam from space
Geese
Overall
Created and hosted The King of Fighters tournament
Managed to obtain all three Jin scrolls
Was the first in a long long line of infamously hard SNK bosses
Owner, founder and CEO of the Howard Connection
Became the reigning crime lord of Southtown
Sired Rock Howard aka the best SNK character
Fought against a combined assault of Orochi team, Foxy, Candy and Yamazaki with the aid of Terry, K’ and Maxima
A man so threatening his animal acolytes terrorize the country of Canada up to this day
Fought and defeated Verse in two moves (considering Verse has the power of several of SNK’s strongest characters such as Orochi, Ash and Goneitz, that is quite impressive)
Power
Comparable to Terry Bogard, whose energy can blow apart large structures like temples and factories
As mentioned above, defeated Verse who was capable of summoning a storm
It should be noted as well that Verse is comprised of the souls of multiple beings within the KOF universe, such as Orochi and Ash Crimson. It is very likely that Verse is as powerful as Orochi and Ash Crimson.
Orochi Shermie is shown to manipulate the weather to create storms in her stage (32.96 Megatons of TNT)
Orochi Yashiro himself has the power of geokinesis, and in one such instance, created a large amount of lava in a stage (58 megatons-5.88 gigatons of TNT); Orochi Yashiro is also able to shake all of the lava when he wins
Scales above the destruction of South Town via a Zero Cannon (17 megatons of TNT)
He should be around the same level as characters like Takuma, who was able to deflect the city-busting blast with a Haoh Shikoh Ken
In the same way Bao was able to not only absorb the blast’s energy but destroy the satellite itself
Once destroyed a decent portion of a bamboo forest with a single Raging Storm
Together with Terry, was able to match their power with the combined assault from the Orochi team, Foxy, Candy and Yamazaki
It should be noted that K’ and Maxima joined in after their clash.
Should be stronger than Goenitz, who can create a storm
As part of Real Bout Special, Geese is strong enough to destroy a variety of things such as: A food stand made of concrete, a large training dummy made of wood, a small house also made of wood, and a whole wall made of stone, etc.
Comparable to Kula, who once froze a huge area of a port in an instant just by awakening her power (2.12-125.94 megatons of TNT)
Scales to Anime Terry who can destroy a forest with a Power Wave
Comparable to the Art of the Fighting Team who destroyed a building with their Haoh Shoukou Ken
Comparable to Angel who knocked over a fighter jet into the water just by running
Speed
Is fast enough to dodge Terry’s attacks (see the above image)
Should be superior to Bao, who shot a beam up into orbit to destroy the Zero Satellite (0.113c)
Comparable to Iori,Chizuru and Kyo, who reacted to Orochi’s technique, Blend/Rounding Reaper (0.24c)
Comparable to fighters like Elisabeth, who can move in tandem with her own light (4.3c)
Comparable to characters like Benimaru, who can manipulate electricity and even summon lightning from the sky
Comparable to fighters like Takuma, who intercepted the Zero Satellite Beam and redirected it (0.011c.Pastebin Link)
Comparable to Billy Cane, who once intercepted a bullet with his… cane (duh)
Comparable to characters like Ryo and Maxima, both who have been stated to move in “1/1000th of a second”
In the same vein, Maxima was able to catch a bullet from a rifle bare-handed
Durability
Survived falling off of his own skyscraper (multiple times depending on the continuity)
Gets a Terry Bogard boot to the face and is more amused then anything
Takes hits from people capable of making storms and controlling weather
Comparable to characters like Choi and Chang who survived a blast from a Zero Cannon head on
Relatively comparable to Kula Diamond, who not only survived the destruction of the Zero Satellite, but also re-entry from orbit
Likely tougher than his bodyguard Billy Cane, who once survived an orbital strike, for reference these strikes are shown to be this strong (since this took place before KoF: Maximum Impact and he appears alive there we can assume he survived)
Weaknesses
Heihachi
Heihachi is the most hated person in all of Tekken (in-universe). As a result, it has led to his ass getting kicked by plenty of opponents he should be able to beat, including his son Kazuya and his grandson Jin. Of course, this is because of the one weakness that most villains, especially fighting game villains, seem to have: arrogance. Heihachi’s hubris has often caused him to underestimate opponents, especially his own family. It’s also noteworthy that Heihachi is in his 70’s, and while he’s still really good at fighting, he’s nowhere near as strong as what he used to be. And unfortunately, there isn’t much to go on in terms of what Heihachi was like in his prime, as most of what we see of Heihachi is when he’s at least in his 50’s
Beyond that, Heihachi lacks ranged attacks, as he prefers to get up close and personal with the poor son of a bitch that decided they were going to take him on. While that’s great in a fighting tournament with rules, this does mean someone who plays smart can just pelt him with ranged attacks while staying away from him...although Heihachi isn’t afraid to shoot his own grandson, so if he has access to a gun, shooting other people isn’t out of the question for him
Also, the guy was forced to kill his own wife, the only person who he ever actually loved. So… that sucks.
Geese
If there is one inexplicable weakness of Geese, it’s skyscrapers. Really, really, REALLY tall skyscrapers. He somehow can’t stop falling off of them. Beyond that, Geese has the standard weakness that most villains have: absolute arrogance. This has led to him being beaten by seemingly weaker opponents, including Terry, as well as led to his many drops off of, you guessed it, skyscrapers.
The man will legit kill himself for a chance to be in Smash, after all.
Summary
Heihachi Mishima
“A fight is about who’s left standing. Nothing else.”
Advantages:
Potentially stronger depending on where KOF stats are put
More experienced
Superior pain tolerance
Likely just as skilled
Has experience fighting against ranged opponents
“Press square to throw Kazuya off”
Had multiple pet bears
The Mishima Hairline
Disadvantages:
Potentially weaker depending on where KOF stats are put
Slower
Overall lacking in ranged options (aside from a gun)
Counter moves require him to take damage, unlike Geese
What the fuck kind of rollback is this Harada
shitty dad
Fight is taking place on a volcano
Geese Howard
"I'll show you what it means to cross Geese Howard. I'll carve it right into that body of yours..."
Advantages:
Potentially stronger depending on where KOF stats are put
Faster
Better range and AoE
Likely just as skilled
Defensive fighting style is useful against Heihachi’s more offensive style
Counter moves don’t require taking damage
World’s strongest weeb
KoF XV will have rollback
Disadvantages:
Potentially weaker depending on where KOF stats are put
Less experienced
Inferior pain tolerance
shitty dad
Who the hell names their kid Geese (almost as bad as Swan)
Verdicts
SoMaShadow
It’s awesome to be back! Season 8 is off to a great start, and holy hell, I could not be more hyped for this matchup! Tekken and King of Fighters are series which I really like, and I’ve been dying to see more of them on the show, so to kick it off with one like this is just amazing! With Geese’s inclusion in Tekken 7 (further making it Bad Dads: The Video Game), to see it finally become a Death Battle has swept me off my feet, so let’s not waste any more time and get on with the verdict.
First of all, it’s important to note that Death Battle often has different research to what we find, or what is presented. For example, Hulk vs Broly, Ryu vs Jin, Sabrewulf vs Jon Talbain, so there’s never 100% certainty that what you see here will appear on the episode. Some characters may be weaker, stronger, faster or slower with what they give in their analysis, and I have a gut feeling that what we have Geese at is more than what will be given to him. Even when we think an episode is clear-cut, Death Battle will surprise us, and I think that’s what’s going to happen here. Keep in mind that I could be entirely wrong, but I feel like Heihachi will take the episode.
A lot of the high-level King of Fighters stuff is contentious, but pretty much everyone can agree that the Zero Cannon’s laser that destroyed South Town being a solid point to place the characters at, which is around 17 Megatons, and that is what I believe he will be given to measure his strength. As for Heihachi, there’s the 3.7 Megaton laser, but recent calculations have revealed the volcano explosion Kazuya survived in Tekken 2 to be at over 163 Megatons of TNT, which is backed up by Kazuya causing a volcanic eruption in Tekken 7, which can reach up to 100 Megatons, so it shouldn’t be an outlier. And when it comes to taking punishment, Heihachi is the clear winner. He’s had giant buildings explode right on top of him, tanks giant falls every other day, fights off armies of soldiers, and he’s fine. Geese is certainly no slouch, but he’s known for dying from falling off of skyscrapers, but Heihachi’s thing is not dying after being thrown off of high places.
Heihachi is also much more experienced, and I’d argue more skilled as well. He’s fought opponents with fighting styles from all around the world for around 3 decades, not to mention his training under Jinpachi as a child. Training he would continue to keep up throughout his life, always keeping himself ready. Dealing with demonic entities and literal devil children on the daily has prepared him for anything that could be thrown at him. He even went toe-to-toe with Akuma (it’s not the same as SF’s Akuma, but still, it’s goddamn Akuma), who’s martial art was designed to kill with brutal efficiency. And a clash between the Mishima has been said to bring calamity to the world. Geese’s training with Hakkyokuseiken is nothing to be scoffed at though, and his training with regular martial arts gives him more styles to draw from. But quantity doesn’t always equal quantity.
Geese has more versatility with ranged attacks, but he usually favours getting up close and personal, something Heihachi greatly favours. Also, Heihachi has dealt with plenty of ranged opponents before, namely Kazuya, Jin, and Kazumi, who call had lasers of their own, and Heihachi still comes out on top. Plus, if Geese wants to try and range him out, Heihachi has a gun. Can they both easily dodge bullets? Yes, of course they can, but it’s still worth being mentioned. And speaking of, let’s bring up speed.
Heihachi can react to the devil lasers, which move at light speed, and Geese can similarly keep up with foes who can dodge light attacks (with Orochi’s Rounding Reaper, and Elizabeth’s light). Of the two, Orochi’s Rounding Reaper feels more likely to be brought up, and while it is faster than Heihachi’s feats with the devil beam, it’s not too fast that he’ll be unable to keep up. With his martial arts training and greater experience, Heihachi will be able to control the flow of the battle, keeping Geese where he wants him. Both are arrogant, yes, but Geese’s arrogance has been much more detrimental to him than Heihachi’s has, and he’ll know exactly how to play off of that to rile Geese up, making him slip up or lose focus.
It will definitely be a difficult battle for both, but I think Heihachi has the strength, experience, skill and determination he needs to pull a clutch victory over the ruler of South Town.
What? You expected a pun? That would be too PREDICTABO! I’m not going to fall-ow in everyone’s footsteps. I was the only one Tekken on Heihachi, after all. To do so would be fowl. But I do believe that Geese will fall to Heihachi’s Mishi-might.
Okay, I’ve worked in enough terrible puns. I’m looking forward to the battle! Peace! or Geese
HelixThePhantom
Hello, everyone. HelixThePhantom ready to make my first participation in the Death Battle Fan Blog Prediction. Honestly, I decided to finally join despite my busy schedule after knowing which Death Battle was following Lex Luthor VS Doctor Doom.
HEIHACHI VS GEESE!!!
A fight between two of the most iconic terrible dads in videogames, some of the funniest characters to play their respective fighting games and excellent villains to both Tekken and Fatal Fury. This fight is honestly something that I was expecting to happen this season and while I did not expect this soon, it was a pleasant surprise. On my own words…
“IT’S FINALLY REAL!”
On the topic of this fight, it is a remarkably close and complicated debate. Mostly because, stat wise both Tekken and The King of Fighters are similar and their placement on how they scale and what is accepted affects the results significantly. So, let us talk in more detail.
First, I am going to start with Heihachi Mishima, since he is the easiest to place on a scaling chain, mostly because he is among the strongest Tekken characters, only comparable to their family members such as his son Kazuya Mishima and his grandson Jin Kazama. This means that unless the feat in question is a notorious outlier or inapplicable in attack potency, it is fair game.
So, we can safely place Heihachi Mishima on the hundreds of megatons of TNT because his constant feud with Kazuya such as them making an explosion out a volcano or in the later case, surviving a volcanic eruption, or at least his body, worth 163.57 megatons of TNT. And on the topic of Kazuya, combatants weaker than him were able to dodge his laser attack (0.02c) and Heihachi itself dodge Devil Kazumi’s devil beam which should not be any slower than Kazuya’s own.
In general, Heihachi is on the Mountain range and Sub-Relativistic speeds, simple so far. Now let’s talk about his opponent.
Geese Howard is, on the other hand, a lot harder to place stats mostly because of how zigzagged the scaling chain works in The King of Fighters series. Fortunately for him, this specific fighting game franchise has everyone scaling to each other and this is placed around many of the games. For explaining this in Geese Howard’s case, he is comparable to Terry Bogard and the Fatal Fury team as they fought countless times on both the Fatal Fury and The King of Fighters timelines. Similarly, the Fatal Fury team can be comparable to the K’ Team, more specifically Maxima pre-battle dialogue with Andy Bogard, that according to data he shouldn’t have any problem to defeat him but then he follows with:
“However, these KOF types never seem to behave quite according to data.” This is clearly an indicator that neither he takes a fight as a joke, and he clearly respects Andy as a fighter meaning that even if Maxima is stronger than him, the difference in strength and skill is not notable enough for making an argument for not scaling each other. On the topic of Maxima, he is on par with his teammates during their tournaments such as K’, Kula, or fighters that fought alongside such as Benimaru. K’ scales to Kyo Kusanagi who defeated characters like Iori and the New Face Team, even with the Orochi transformations, and went toe to toe with the likes of Ash or Elizabeth.
In general, Geese can, and he should be scaled with each other combatant and that would be without external source material. With external source material, he defeated Verse, an embodiment of negative beings that travels between time to trap these fighters' souls during many ages. For Geese to do this accomplishment, he needed both the strength and skill to defeat Verse and he did it in two moves.
Now, into the stats the bare minimum for Geese in terms of attack potency is the destruction of South Town in KOF 2000 which is 17 Megatons of TNT.
This is not the maximum due many of the fighters were able to survive, deflect, or even overpower the cannon. The current highest feat in attack potency belongs to Orochi Yashiro which ranges from 58 megatons to 5.88 gigatons of TNT, which is very consistent with the current feats of KoF which ranges from City level to Island level. On speed, the Three Sacred Treasures (Kyo, Iori and Chizuru) reacted to Orochi’s technique, Blend/Rounding Reaper which is in the relativistic speeds (0.24 c) and characters like Elizabeth moves in tandem with her own light which is faster than light (4.3c).
So, Geese Howard would be at least city level and relativistic at minimum, while island level and FTL.
With their given stats, Geese should be able to take victory against Heihachi as neither has a significant hax to make a notable difference, particularly considering that his speed made him able to blitz Heihachi. One could argue against the fact that I gave Geese’s high-end scaling, but even then, this does not change the fact that the speed difference is speed blitzing.
For comparison’s sake, I will be using Geese more conservative stats and compared with the given stats to Heihachi.
163.57 megatons of TNT against 58 megatons of TNT are a difference of 2.82 which means Heihachi should be stronger. However, this does not mean that Geese could not be able to damage him as their strength is close to each other. The same does not happen on speed as Geese is not only faster with 0.24c compared to Heihachi’s 0.02c, but the difference is of 12 which still allows Geese to blitz regardless of AP.
But stats aren’t everything and Heihachi’s martial arts and skill could migrate the speed difference, right?
The thing is that Heihachi lacks in range options while Geese has a variety of them. This is jarring when we consider that Geese is not only faster, but Heihachi to even counter these options would need him to take a fight in close range and take damage, something Geese can do without major problems. And on the topic of skill, saying that Heihachi is far more skilled than Geese would be hard to compare, and you can also argue that Geese is far more skillful due the way scaling on KoF works. For simplicity’s sake, it is more likely to say that they are equally skilled.
On a final note, you might notice I did not include Jack-6 meteor feat, which is a lot higher than Geese’s more conservative feats (900.57 megatons of TNT). However, not only I have a lot of problems scaling Tekken Tag Tournament as it presents a lot of problems in canon. But in case of wondering, it would still be lower than the high-end Orochi Yashiro’s feat and most likely Kula high-end feat would still be enough for Geese Howard to claim the victory. But this doesn’t mean that I think this would be an easy fight for either of them. I think Geese should win, but Heihachi winning is still the popular option. In my case, I will be happy as long the episode SHATTERS ALL EXPECTATIONS!!!
Also, thanks Agent for inviting me for collaborating in this. I hope to participate more often in predictions. Helix out!
Dragonmasterxyz
Well, this is my first time doing one of these, so here’s hoping I don’t fuck it up. This season has been one hell of a ride so far and this fight looks like it will continue the trend. As a fighting game fan, this is one of the fighting game matches I’ve wanted for quite a bit and I’m so glad it’s happening. Now onto the verdict itself.
I’ll try to keep this short and to the point. The outcome of this fight depends on what you use for each character and even though I will be taking one side, I can very easily see the other side winning. To start off with why I am voting Geese in this scenario is due to the current stats of both. Geese in this case scales to feats that make him faster and stronger than Heihachi and considering this is a fight that depends on having higher statistics and fighting skill, this is a huge advantage for Geese.
Geese currently sits around Island level and FTL via scaling to the High Tiers of the KoF series. KoF is on of those fighting games where almost everyone basically scales to one another in some fashion. With the likes of Terry and other Fatal Fury characters being able to scale to the likes of Kyo, Kula or Maxima, Geese scaling is almost a no brainer considering that he’s comparable to the likes of Terry. Heihachi only being around Mountain+ and Sub-Rel due to the JACK feat which immediately puts him on the losing side. On top of this Geese has a range advantage over Heihachi and with the power and speed gap seals the deal for Heihachi’s defeat in my eyes.
While I can certainly see Heihachi winning, I do feel that the one who will be plummeting to his death will be Heihachi while Geese remains standing.
Makotofanboy
My reaction when I saw this matchups next time
Well this is my first one doing a prediction, and it isn’t a Blazblue matchup which is alright since I love Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting and King of Fighters. When this matchup was announced, since I was going to focus on other verses that weren't Blazblue, I figured I might as well get started with this. Now for who wins the fight of bad dads the fight? Well, I believe Geese should take this mid to high difficulty.
I would like to bring up on scaling. Heihachi is easy since he’s one of the top dogs in Tekken, so he should scale to other lower tier characters and characters around his level, so I won’t go into him since he doesn't have trouble scaling from others compared to Geese. For Geese, he’s a bit hard to judge since he hasn’t been in many games, but what if I told you he could scale to others? Geese, from what I seen, is comparable to Terry Bogard and Ryo Sakazaki in turn scales to others such as Kyo, Iori. K’, Kula and Ash. Geese fought K’ before in the manhua King of Fighters 2000. He and Billy Kane also fought against Kula Diamond but lost to them. Keep in mind that Terry also fought Kula in the Manhua as well. While he lost(almost got Kula in a fatal(ha) blow) that would be enough for Terry to scale to others in which Geese scales too. If it isn’t enough for you to believe, Terry also fought Kyo Kusanagi in the King of Fighters Destiny anime and it’s implied that in King of Fighters 94, Team Fatal Fury was against Team Japan in the finals. For Ryo, he fought characters such as Maxima who scales to others such as K’ and Kula, and Shun’ei who he beat when he was in a berserker like state(Ryo is a badass in this panel). Thanks to this Geese gets access to a pretty big scaling chain that will help him in this fight. Now, let us begin.
Heihachi is comparable to Kazuya who caused a volcano eruption which is 100 megatons of TNT, basically Mountain level. Another feat is when Jack-6 destroyed a meteor in a few punches which got 900.57 megatons of TNT, another Mountain level feat (disclaimer, Multi-Cont Tekken is bunked as the Jack-6 feat was using KE (Kinetic Energy) for the calc, so it was inflated.) in which Heihachi scales to this since he’s superior to Jack-6. Now for Geese’s side, we got the Zero Canon which got 17 megatons(low end), but we also have an eruption feat by Orochi Yashiro in which it got 58 megatons to 5.88 gigatons of TNT (City to Small Island). We could use a Samurai Shodown feat that gives Geese to Small Country thanks to Nakoruru being canon to Kof. This puts Geese slightly stronger or way stronger than Heihachi (Disclaimer, even if you use KE for the Jack feat, we could use the Zero Cannon’s statement being a life wiper as it gets higher than the Jack feat. No matter what in the end, Geese is stronger).
Speed wise is where we enter as I like to call, shit blitzing. Tekken speed feats consist of catching a bullet with your teeth, flying at the speed of sound as a demon, and dodging a laser from a demon. Now for the KOF side, we have a cyborg that can catch a rifle from his bare hands, a model that can control and summon electricity in which people can dodge, and finally a french woman that can move tandem in her light based attacks! Going by highest speed feats, we have Heihachi reacting to Kazuya’s laser attack (0.02c) (Sub Rela) vs Elisabeth moving tandem in her light (4.3c) (FTL). This puts Geese as blitz territory as he’s way faster than anything that Heihachi has reacted before.
Durability wise, both have tanked and taken hits from powerful fighters and survived some crazy stuff in their respective series. Heihachi has taken hits from Devil’s lasers multiple times as a meatshield (thanks Kazuya), dropped off a cliff by his own son (thanks Kazuya again), and comparable to Kazuya who survived a satellite beam and a volcanic eruption (163.57 megatons of TNT). Now we look at Geese who survived falling from his own tower multiple times (thanks Terry and Geese wait wha-), survived being electrocuted and beaten up, and his partner Billy took a hit from an orbital strike in which he survived. Since Geese took on characters that can output City to Small Island ap, he should have the durability advantage as well. Heihachi does have one thing over Geese in this department as he has a superior pain tolerance.
Now finally I want to talk about fighting styles because this plays a factor. Geese likely has a better style as he’s a defense fighter with long range attacks, 3 fighting styles, and counters. Thanks to his massive speed advantage, Heihachi is PREDICTABO to Geese as he can see his attacks and counter and play the range game which Heihachi doesn’t have anything to counter. I will say that both are equally as skilled since both had training at a young age from great masters such as Jinpachi for Heihachi and Tung Fue Rue for Geese, but Heihachi is a lot older than Geese so he obviously takes the experience advantage as he has seen his fighters such similar to Geese. Unfortunately, Geese is stronger, way faster, durabile, fighting style that helps him counter Heihachi’s, and long range Reppuken and Shinpukken spam.
In the end, Heihachi will face a raging storm of a flock of Geese before he dies.
I would like to thank Agnet for being able to do this for the very first time, and I hope I could do more predictions as this is a start!
T0m
Wooooooooooooooo! KOF and Tekken are back in DB! i'm glad I had a chance to greatly contribute to this blog, especially for one of my most wanted. I've wanted to discuss this one for quite a while. I hope this episode gets more people interested in fights like these in the future.
As to who I think I may lean on......
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUUUUU!
First things first, comparing both by their abilities and movesets while Heihachi is indeed more experienced, Geese does clearly have a bunch of advantages over Heihachi. Aside from being able to absorb chi from the earth to gain more energy for himself, ranged chi techniques such as the Reppuken or Shippuken let him control the flow of the battle and give him better range both in ground and air(although Heihachi has faced ranged attacks), his counters don't require him to take damage and he has a lot more of those counters than Heihachi does himself. Not to mention stuff like Raging Storm or Thunder Break has a greater area of effect than anything Heihachi has, who usually relies on close ranged combat.
Second, while Heihachi has shown more pain tolerance than Geese with his durability feats especially with all the amount of abuse he's taken(falling off a cliff, JACK bots, etc.), Geese does have the power to at least match or even surpass his durability. Comparing the feats they scale to, Yashiro causing volcanic eruptions and JACK-6's meteor smashing feat are in similar ballparks, both of which they can upscale from. At that point with both being comparable their speed ultimately is the deciding factor. While Heihachi dodging devil beams from all of the Devil Gene users is indeed impressive, Orochi's Rounding Reaper would make Geese fast enough for him to take the win in more occasions, especially with his more varied moveset.
Lastly, i can't say i'm too keen on using the world-ending statements for Tekken such as Jin and Kazuya's clash causing cataclysms around the world as they seem too vague and some of them even refer to the World War G Corp and Mishima Zaibatsu plagued around the world, rather than by Jin or Kazuya's own power. Even Jin himself specifically stated that he caused a world war due to Azazel telling him that filling the world with negative energy would give him a physical form in order for Jin to fight and kill him.
In the end, i think i may take the fall and vote Geese for this one.
Phantom Goose
Meddadius
I am SO okay right now! Of course, I’m okay! How could I not be? An easy top 20 dream fight for years finally became reality…
Super glad to have gotten the chance to butcher the backgrounds for two of fighting games’s biggest “bad dad chads.” Now, sure, I haven’t played much of either series. But I keep up with the Tekken lore, and Fatal Fury’s still super important to me. My man, Terry Bogard, has seen me through some shit (relatively minor though it might’ve been) with his memetic charisma, and some of that pure fun energy definitely translates to GEEEESU! Meanwhile, you’ve got Heihachi “Refuge In Audacity” Mishima, whose character kinda speaks for itself.
TL;DR, I don’t care who wins this. I just want a great fight, and it looks like that’s exactly what I’m getting!
That being said, I know I gotta give a verdict… Man, this is a weird one, isn’t it? Such a major divide between the two cornerstones of VS debating (on-screen feats and scaling) that it’d be hard for me to blame anyone for leaning either way. Still, as much as I wanna give Heihachi a bit more rep, it’s not like Geese’s scaling chains are meritless, and his fighting style simply seems to match up better against Heihachi’s than vice-versa. My vote’s going to the head of Howard Connections.
PREDICTABO, I know.
The Black Shulk
You ever just wonder that we almost have enough video game reps to match Season 7. Kinda wild isn’t it.
Anywho this is easily one of my most wanted matchups so seeing it happen this season is a welcome surprise, especially given how Tekken has been MIA for three years and KOF for fucking five. The preview is already showing promise and given the two characters we’re dealing with it’s bound to have some badass dialogue and choreography, regardless of who wins in the end.
Anywho I’ll keep this brief and to the point to not bore anyone with an essay. Geese should comfortably take this more often than not. He has the better advantage in stats across all three categories and his tool kit offers him more ranged and counter measures to throw off Heihachi within battle. Heihachi should have more experience given his age and in that time he’s definitely dealt with supernatural nonsense arguably more crazy than the shit Geese is bringing to the table. Ultimately though I can’t say those would really help him long term given Geese’s arsenal has decent counters to Heihachi’s, and with equal amounts of skill I’d Geese’s options are more than enough to put down Mishima for good. It’s safe to say the Howard Estate will reign supreme as the king of this battle.
Agent
(Some nice art of K’ and Kula. And a perfect mix of fire and ice)
So, we have my third most wanted match, come true on tonights brawl. And, I cannot be more excited for this. Being a big sucker for fighting games, Tekken and King of Fighters included, I am just, so hyped for this. Before I get into my prediction, lemme just say that Season 8 so far has been great, with 3 episodes that thoroughly entertained me, and had some of the nicest fights on the show. Of the three, Yoda vs Mickey was my favorite, having the nicest banter, the best explained verdict, and the best animation. Each character felt in character, and it lead to great banter, even after Yoda’s untimely demise. While I originally did want my man Yoda to fight Meta Knight, this probably was the better choice for an episode at the end of the day. Moving on, we have Shadow vs Ryuko, an idea I used to kind of dislike, but then grew to realize, it was somewhat inevitable, and it just turned into a band aid I wanted pulled off already (Ryuko vs Dan Hibiki though tbh). With that said, it was better than I expected, with animation that was more clever than I thought it was gonna be, with fun use of their powers as a whole, but Ryuko was kind of out of character here, acting a bit too aggravated throughout the fight. It was still fun, and it miiiight be the best Sonic episode? I can’t really tell, but it was fairly enjoyable. Research wise, while it didn’t really give us stats that many of us agree with, it was explained decently enough, and at least sidebars mentioned stuff like Solaris for those thirsty to see it. As for Doom vs Lex, as a guy who felt Doom returning felt redundant, this episode was wildly entertaining and fun, featuring two of my favorite villains of all time duking it out in what ended up a great runback for both. Probably the best research the season has to offer so far, and while I betted Lex, Doom winning was explained well enough, and it was the most fun I’ve had in terms of a debate this season so far.
Now with all of that out of the way, lets look into the accomplishments of both of these big bad crime lord asshole fathers! Not going to lie here, I initially expected this to be clear cut in Geese’s favor, but analyzing both characters feats a bit more, this seems closer than we once thought. So, who wins? Lets analyze advantages first. Comparing speed, this is clear cut in Geese’s favor. Geese scaling to people who can dodge Kazuya’s laser, and Jin flying out of orbit in seconds (0.02c and Mach 568.92 respectively) is trumped by the reactionary feats that Geese scales to, such as Iori reacting to Orochi’s Rounding Reaper (thank you Helix for making Rela KOF a thing), and scaling to Elisabeth moving in tandem with her own light (4.3c, so slightly faster than a nanosecond), meaning Geese can catch Heihachi off guard quite easily given the speed difference at play.
Next category to analyze is the AP/Durability section. To start off, Kula’s freezing feat in KOF 2000 did get Megatons, but given my weird thoughts I’ve been having on freezing feats, idk if I’d totally apply this, but either way, this can help buff Geese if you want to scale him to it. Otherwise, he has plenty more he can be scaled to. From scaling to the Orochi of the Yashiro variety, he can scale to the potential energy, likely even melting energy of creating large amounts of Lava, getting us results of Small City, up to Island levels of destructive power.
Moving onto Heihachi’s AP, He can scale to Gunjack robots, who destroyed a big ass meteor, which if you use KE, gets Multi Continent, but since the robot didn’t like stop it, I’m not comfortable with using KE on it, and the non KE version gets over 900 Megatons, which Heihachi upscales greatly from for being one of the top tiers in Tekken. He also scales to Kazuya causing the volcano eruption, and Feng Wei destroying the mountain range, so pretty consistent too eh.
Now who’s gonna win? I’ll try and keep it short, and I’m going Geese. His AP/Durability advantages more than keep up and outpace Heihachi, and his fighting style helps out a lot too. Sorry if it felt a bit simple by the end, feeling a bit tired, and mostly wanted to wrap things up here. This is a fight I’m very hyped for, and have every hope it can be the best of this season. In the meantime uh, shameless Ryuko vs Dan Hibiki shilling time? Ok fuck that lol. But overall, I’m mostly with the other peeps here. Heihachi winning won’t surprise me if it happens, but I think Geese is the safer bet for now, even with the debatability of many of their feats, and what’s all legit. Peace out, and uh, have more wholesome art idk.
