Death Battle Predictions: Simon the Digger VS Kyle Rayner

 

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Simon the Digger, the Leader of Team Dai-Gurren and Spiral Warrior.

Kyle Rayner, the powerful Emerald Knight of Justice and Green Lantern.

These two were once noble men, down on their luck, without a hope of escape from the traps that are their boring, mundane lives. But as fate would have it, Alien objects would be in their possession, allowing them hope of a new life with greater things to look forward to. With their immense willpower and determination, almost nothing is impossible, and they know, they’ll find their ways. But with all that power came great responsibility, and the responsibility to surpass another great hero who they themselves had strong willpower that had inspired the will of their very own, shaping them for a better future ahead. They were gonna go far, kid.

Reaching the very pinnacle of power they could with their will, determination, and the friends they made along the way, they proved the best knights to take down the most powerful darknesses within their entire universes, taking on immense power of those around them, lighting the darkest hour with nothing but their will. And today, only one will take the crown of winner, as they light up the dark night sky, with constructs of their very strength, speed, power, and most importantly, will. Time to test this out, in a Death Battle!

Background

Simon the Digger

“Just who the hell do you think I am? I’m Simon. I’m not my bro. I’m ME! SIMON THE DIGGER!”

Deep in an underground village, there lived a young boy known as Simon the Digger. Having lost his parents to a cave in, Simon didn’t want much in life, only having a drill to dig through the rocks around him, with a mole and his more ambitious best friend Kamina at his side. All seemed peaceful, if stagnant, until the day he and Kamina had found a strange red mechanical head along with a small golden drill. After reaching the surface in this mecha known as “Lagann” and discovering the vast world for themselves, they would form a group of rebel human mecha pilots, later known as Team (Dai) Gurren, waging war against the beastmen who guarded the upper surface, and King Lordgenome, who had oppressed said humans to force them into living underground in the first place. 

Simon was at the forefront, at first only following in the shadow of Kamina and seemingly only needed to pilot Lagann. But after Kamina’s untimely death and a chance meeting with a mysterious girl named Nia, Simon was forced to grow up, steeling his resolve and leading the war with a sense of renewed confidence. Alongside his friends, they would fight through their beastman oppressors and topple the king from his throne. And with this victory, came a newfound era of peace and freedom for mankind.

But, this wasn’t the end; far from it. As it turns out, Lordgenome had kept oppressing humanity not for his own mad power, but to stave off the Anti-Spirals, a race of cosmic beings who seek to oppress all life with the power of Spiral Energy, rendering them static and united at the cost of their free will and ability to evolve. Stopping Lordgenome only prompted the Anti-Spirals to attack and take Nia, leading Simon and the rest of Team Dai-Gurren into another dimension in order to wage war on the Anti-Spirals head on. Simon and the others fought the fight of their lives to save the universe and Nia from the unmoving nothingness of the Anti-Spiral, through stars, galaxies, and even alternate dimensions, finally stopping the reign of the Anti-Spirals once and for all. It came at the cost of many friends sacrificing themselves, including Nia, who kept herself together just long enough to marry Simon. But with the future in the hands of mankind and all life in the universe to evolve and find a way to maintain balance throughout, Simon wandered the earth to make it a better place in Nia’s name, truly having grown up into his own man.

Kyle Rayner

“Evil finally escaped Jordan's sight. It hid inside him.”

Kyle Rayner prior to becoming a Green Lantern was a struggling yet gifted self-taught freelance artist living in Los Angeles. Unbeknownst to Kyle, Hal Jordan of the Green Lantern Corps went on a genocidal rampage after the destruction of his home Coast City, wiping out the Green Lantern Corps along with most of the Guardians of the Universe, who were seen as their leaders/overseers. Ganthet, the only Guardian to have survived Jordan’s rampage, found Rayner in LA and chose him to don a Green Lantern ring as the last member and hope for the Green Lanterns to defeat the now insane Hal Jordan. 

Kyle was unsure of what to do with his newfound powers and went to his girlfriend Alexandra DeWitt, who helped him make a costume to disguise himself. On his first outing, he came face to face with the tyrant conqueror Mongul, who was seeking out Hal Jordan, but opted to kill Kyle anyway, until Superman intervened, the two working together to stop Mongul. Eventually, Kyle would have to come face to face with Parallax Hal, detonating the Green Lantern planet Oa to stop him and later coming back to him to ask him for help to defeat the Sun-Eater, a monstrous cosmic creature the Justice League couldn’t handle. Parallax Hal saw this as his way to redeem himself, preventing the Sun-Eater from enveloping the Sun and restoring the Earth at the cost of his own life. In the wake of his events, Kyle would go on to become a charter member of the Justice League of America, going on many adventures such as stopping his parallel evil counterpart, Oblivion. 

Eventually, after many adventures across the cosmos, including the return of Hal Jordan, the Guardians themselves would seek to wipe out all life with emotions in the universe, forcing all the Corps to unite and help Kyle reach his true potential to weaponize every emotion across the spectrum and stand a chance against the Guardians. Through trial and tribulation, Kyle would become the master of all of the colors of the Emotional Spectrum, tapping into each emotion along the way and finding the love in his heart, allowing him to finally tap into the white light of the White Lantern. As a White Lantern, Kyle would come face to face with even more questions and experiences, such as being dragged into a war between Highfather and Darkseid due to Highfather’s desire to manipulate the Life Equation, the source and coding of life itself that Kyle Rayner had found and became one with during his trip to the Source Wall after defeating Relic. Inadvertently, Kyle would also bring back his evil counterpart Oblivion after journeying to the Source Wall, defeating him by splitting the Life Equation into several portions to create the White Lantern Corps. Continuing to act as a peacekeeper for the White Lantern Corps, Kyle continued to help and serve wherever needed, such as joining forces with the Omegas to bring peace to the Vega System. 

Equipment

Simon

Core Drill

Discovered by Simon during one of his digs, this Core Drill acts as the key to power Lagann. It also acts as a conduit for Spiral Power which was capable of severely damaging Lordgenome. 

Lagann

The first component that Simon found, and also the most important. Lagann is a Gunman, a face-shaped mecha powered by willpower with a deceptive amount of strength, mobility, and durability for its small size. It can also create drills from its body to pierce through enemies, but its most notable ability is to assimilate with almost any mecha or mechanical component it pierces, upgrading itself with additional armor, weaponry, and abilities. This ability is key to every Gurren Lagann transformation in the series, giving the giant robot its famous ability to combine.

Gurren Lagann

The combined form of Lagann and Gurren, another Gunman that Kamina had stolen to fight with Simon. Its capabilities are greatly increased all around, able to create even larger drills as both offensive weapons and shields for defense, whether it be creating drills all over its body, turning the entire bottom half into the storm, or creating a massive drill on its hand for the signature Giga Drill Break. It can also use the face’s sunglasses as a makeshift boomerang, automatically repair damage with Spiral Power, and fly with a pair of wings for aerial combat.

Arc-Gurren Lagann

Gurren Lagann when combined with the country sized Arc-Gurren battleship, so large that the Gurren Lagann mecha itself pilots the formation. This form has greater flight capabilities through space thanks to its new thrusters, and its power has increased to an enormous extent, so much so that it can break through the moon-sized Cathedral Lazengann to stop it from piercing the earth and even punch holes in reality through brute force alone.

Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann

The Arc-Gurren after combing with the Cathedral Terra which belonged to Lordgenome, turns into a colossal battleship-type Gunmen that’s under half the size of Earth. The mecha is equipped with thousands of cannons that appear via captain's command, from the treads of the mecha's drills (and, in some cases, within the treads of those cannons, which resembled drills), each capable of shooting a beam straight through the time-space continuum, used for hitting targets regardless of their locality and temporality in the universe.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

Created after Simon had integrated with the Multiversal Labyrinth, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is near the very peak of Simon’s power, and towers over even galaxies in its size alone. In this state, it retains all powers it previously held and then some, able to fire off probability altering missiles that could break through the Anti-Spiral’s own probability manipulation, create light year sized weaponry out of thin air, and even recreate more mecha from the scraps of its body after destruction. The amount of Spiral Power this mecha contains is so absurd that the energy within is said to be enough to create an entire Spiral universe within itself, and survive a blast on par with the Big Bang.

Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

Exclusive to the movie is the final form of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, after Lordgenome was able to help absorb the energy of the Infinity Big Bang Storm and allow Simon to take it in. This form is so unbelievably massive that the galaxy-sized Granzeboma can barely reach the tip of its foot and can create a drill 20 times larger than its own height. Just by clashing against the similarly sized Granzeboma, countless galaxies across the universe were absorbed into the resulting clash, collapsing space in on itself similar to a Big Crunch.  

Kyle

Green Lantern Power Ring

Kyle’s main weapon is his standard Green Lantern power ring, which gives him access to a variety of powers that are channeled through his willpower and by the Green Lantern’s light. The only limit to this ring is Kyle’s skill, imagination, and creativity with how he uses it. The ring has many versatile functionalities that come with it such as;

• Being able to stabilize Kyle’s medical condition and keep him in homeostasis 

• Tying itself to Kyle’s genetic coding to where only he can use it if it were to be taken off/stolen

• If ringless, Kyle can summon the ring back to him with a summoning link at any time

Green Lantern Power Battery

The Green Lantern power battery is what Kyle uses to charge his Green Lantern power ring to 100%. Said power battery is linked to the Central Green Lantern Power Battery in Oa and is constantly charged by it. When Kyle does not have it on hand, he can hide it in a pocket dimension or spatial rift.

Mask

Kyle’s mask is forged by his own willpower and is unique in that it houses advanced computer and scanning abilities that allow him to see farther away and in 3D/infrared.

Power Battery Fragment

Kyle carries with him a fragment of a power battery that he can pull out and activate to use, making it act like a real one in the scenario if he were to lose his original one or need to help supplement fellow Lanterns.

White Lantern Power Ring

The White Lantern power ring is Kyle’s main weapon and one of the toughest and most powerful objects in the universe, with Lightray even claiming it is powerful enough to pass through the Source Wall, the edge of the known universe. Drawing power from life and creation itself, Kyle can channel the white light along with all the other colors of the Emotional Spectrum, which include rage, avarice, greed, willpower, hope, compassion, and love. Kyle’s skill and creativity are its only limits on what it can make in the way of constructs.

The Life Equation

The Life Equation is the will of all beings in existence and the source / coding for life itself, and the mathematical equation that also makes up the entirety of the Emotional Spectrum. It is also called the opposite of the Anti-Life Equation and the only thing that can oppose its power. Kyle can use the Life Equation however he wants, as the Guardians reaffirmed to him that it cannot be fully taken away from him and only he has access to its full potential. Kyle has used the Life Equation for a variety of reality warping purposes such; 

• Summoning his own version of the Source Wall

• Reshaping the universe so travel to the Source Wall and back is possible

• Warping the environment around him, changing Carol into Alex and giving Carol Alex’s thoughts along with the rest of the cosmos, and can do so on a universal scale

• Manipulates the Life Equation and splits it into seven rings to create the White Lantern Corps, said Corps was strong enough to defeat Oblivion, Kyle’s evil parallel counterpart

Abilities

Simon

Spiral Energy

Also known as Spiral Power, this extra dimensional energy is the key to powering Lagann, and all its subsequent transformations. Powered by will itself and found in almost all life on earth, Spiral Power is the energy of evolution, both in power and even to the next stage of life, to the point that Simon’s pet Buta was able to evolve from an animal to a human form within mere seconds of harnessing his own energy. Fitting the infinite potential for living beings to evolve, the applications of this energy are borderline unlimited in their uses. And uniquely, this energy is contained within the user, with their mecha only serving as vessels to channel it through. As such, this means said power belongs to them alone, able to increase their own physical abilities and allow them to use this energy even outside of their Gunmen, such as when Lordgenome was able to physically beat Gurren Lagann with his bare hands better than he did in Lazengann or Simon matching the Anti-Spiral itself in a fistfight and creating a drill from his own blood as nothing but a human. 

Notes:

Spiral Power is drawn from Spiral galaxies, and converted into energy and emitted by Spiral lifeforms from their nervous centres, with one lifeform being able to release as much energy as an entire Universe.

With an infinite power binding life and the Universe together, Spiral Power allows the Spiral lifeforms to control even time and space.

The human form is the one where the power of the Spiral is most strongly manifested, by turning Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren into humanoid mode, it will amplify its strength tens of times and rival the micro cosmos.

Spiral Energy Absorption

Simon and Gurren Lagann have demonstrated the ability to absorb additional Spiral Energy for further empowerment, from Gurren Lagann being able to catch and redirect energy attacks with its drill, Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann being able to absorb Spiral Power after space around them had been transformed back into energy, or most impressively, when Simon was able to absorb the entirety of the Multiversal Labyrinth and integrate it within himself. 

Force Fields

Shields can be formed from Spiral Energy for general defense, deflecting even energy blasts at close range.

Regeneration

Spiral Power has the ability to repair and heal damage, whether it be the mecha or the user themselves. This can be anything from Gurren Lagann being able to automatically repair itself from minor damage to its limbs, to feats as absurd as Lordgenome recreating his entire body from a head.

Low Godly

"Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the final form of Gurren Lagann and emerged with the Super Spiral Universe embodying thought. It is also the most powerful Spiral weapon that can directly output the passengers abilities."

TTGL’s body is a materialized thought, and can reform its body with just the thought of a pilot.

The novelization goes even deeper into depth on TTGL's creation; all of the emotions of the Super Galaxy Brigade in the multiverse manifest into drills, which combine together into a being that transcends fate and causality, a power greater than stars and galaxies, and even the dimension and time themselves.

Refer to here for a full explanation.

Weapon Creation

Users of Spiral Power have shown the ability to create weapons and machines seemingly from nothing but said Spiral Energy, as demonstrated by the Tengan Toppa Gunmen being born from pure Spiral Energy and Lordgenome recreating Lazengann from nothing.

Giga Drill Break

As the most iconic use of Simon creating weapons, and his signature move, Giga Drill Break is used by every form of Gurren Lagann. As the name implies, Simon uses Spiral Power to create giant drills which surpass Gurren Lagann itself in size and pierces through enemies. Multiple can be summoned simultaneously to pierce many foes at once, and at their largest, these drills can even dwarf the size of the Universe Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann fights Super Granzeboma in.

Space-Time Warping

Using Spiral Energy, time and space can be bent in various means. This can allow users to teleport to other locations or alternate dimensions with thought alone, pierce through reality, or send attacks through time and space to attack the future, past, and present simultaneously. Simon has even punched foes hard enough to send them to the “far end of the space-time continuum.”

Probability Manipulation

One of Spiral Energy’s more bizarre applications is the ability to manipulate probability itself. This was weaponized by the Anti-Spirals to prevent Team Dai-Gurren from traveling to their location, but can be applied in combat defensively by making it so even if an attack physically hits, probability will be altered so that no damage was received, or offensively to make attacks do damage regardless of if the target was able to block or avoid said attacks in the first place. While TTGL only used this offensively via the probability altering missiles, given that the Anti-Spirals were able to still use this power while fighting on even ground, and TTGL was able to break through the probability alteration still, it’s likely they can apply the defensive method in the same manner.

Space-Time Viewing

Simon views all possible universes of all possible doppelgangers of himself in the multiverse as pillars of light, then integrates with them. With infinite possibilities, infinite universes were being integrated by Simon in the multiverse.

The novelization explanation goes even further, Simon did not only absorb the variations of himself in parallel, but every place, every time including the past and future where the innumerable selves of Simon lives in the multiverse of infinite possibilities.

Acausality

Nia entered the cockpit of the Lagann, along with Simon. Each Lagann merged into Gurren Lagann. It was anger. It was sadness. It was compassion. It was every emotion one could think of. The feelings that each of us had in our respective universes appeared in the form of a drill, breaking through the wall. It was appearing in the form of two shapes and sizes, and they became one. If you have no choice but to fight, do not hesitate. We are not afraid to ask for power. If there's a wall, we'll hit and break it, if there's no way, we'll make it with our own hands! No, more. Breaks through cause, effect and fate, the cry of life resounds in the galaxy yet, more. Engrave the feelings of a friend in this body, and turn infinite darkness into light! -That's it. A power greater than the stars, greater than the galaxies. A power greater than dimension and time.

The infinite power that overflows from this body. Give it form. It takes the form of a person. Thoughts overflow. Words break through the heart. Nia speaks. "Even when trapped in the cycle of cause and effect!" Yoko prays. "The feelings left behind will open the door!" Leeron tells us. "Even if the infinite universe stands in our way," Viral cries. "This bloodletting will decide our fate!" Simon shouts. "Breakthrough the heavens and dimensions!" They all wears. "To grab hold of our own path!" The universe trembles. "Just who the hell do you think we are!?".

SImon and TTGL are stated to have broken through cause, effect and fate. It is said that even when trapped, their feelings open the gate, and they will decide their own fate.

This means they operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

Higher-Dimensional Existence

TTGL possesses an entire Super Spiral universe within itself; which is a 10 +1 dimensional brane universe. TTGL and its superior form also scale to the Anti-Spiral. The Anti-Spiral created their own universe with extra dimensions within it, an 11-dimensional universe and able to control it completely at will according to their own.

Refer to here for more, as well as this.

Miscellaneous 

• Resistance to Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation (Upon absorbing the Multiverse Labyrinth, his power has been stated to transcend space and time itself)

• Resistance to Probability Manipulation (Can land hits on The Anti-Spiral, who has this ability) and Mind Manipulation (Managed to escape the Multiverse Labyrinth which affects the mind of those within it)

• Evidence for Anti-Spiral having probability manipulation:

Capable of decreasing their enemy's winning percentage to 0% within their universe and can passively alter the opponents' probability of defending attacks and avoid being hit by manipulating multidimensional probability fluctuations.

• Regeneration Negation (Prevented the Anti-Spiral from regenerating)

Kyle

Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum

The Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum is an energy field from which all emotion in the universe comes from all while being fueled by it. It is the powersource of the Lantern corps and each emotion has a specific abstract entity related to it. The Red Light of Rage comes with the Butcher. The Orange Light of Avarice comes with Ophidian. The Yellow Light of Fear comes with Parallax. The Green Light of Willpower comes with Ion. The Blue Light of Hope comes with Adara. The Indigo Light of Compassion comes with Proselyte and the Violet Light of Love comes with the Predator. The sum total of these colors becomes one of the seven forces of the universe and the White Light of Life. 

Hand-to-Hand Combat

Kyle is experienced in various forms of fighting and hand-to-hand combat. His experience as a Green Lantern has made him used to fighting all sorts of threats from entire fleets of robots or warships to challenging other experienced Lanterns such as Sinestro. One of his best feats is challenging and beating an alien assassin who has slain multiple Green Lanterns and Darkstars

Marksmanship

Kyle’s practice with constructs have made him an incredibly good shot, having great precision and accuracy. He can snipe a large building from a far away distance and has even made Roy Harper, an experienced marksman jealous of his skills with a bow and arrow.

Artistry

In Kyle’s spare time, he is an artist, which has fueled his creativity for a lot of the constructs he makes. He is skilled in drawing, painting, sculpting, photographing, ink drawing, coloring, designing, etc. By the 31st century, Kyle is considered to be one of the greatest artists in history.

Willpower

Kyle is a Green Lantern, which means he has an unbreakable amount of willpower that fuels his power into things like constructs and perform insane feats such as willing his ring back into existence even after it was broken (shown above). Oftentimes however this willpower can be used to overcome obstacles such as mental threats such as;

• Willing the mind control effects of the Anti-Life Equation out of his mind

• For reference, the Anti-Life Equation’s mind control has been said to be able to operate on a universal scale

• Breaks free of the Queen Bee’s influence over him

• Broke out of the villainous telepath Psimon’s mental attacks

• Resists the control of a Controller being.

• With assistance from Hal Jordan, breaks free of the Parallax Entity’s control

• A Yellow Lantern with mind control potent enough to mind control numerous Green Lanterns claims Kyle’s willpower is ‘unsettling’

• Resisted being possessed by Parallax, something Guy Gardner and John Stewart couldn’t do

• Unaffected by viewing hyperdimensional data, which could scramble someones senses

Energy Constructs

Kyle’s main ability as a Green Lantern is the ability to create light-generated energy constructs out of sheer willpower. These constructs often come straight from Kyle’s imagination, and unlike other Lanterns, Kyle’s are known to be much more creative and even whimsical at times. His love for fiction, movies, and even anime have led him to make constructs inspired from what he loves such as kaijus or various anime-inspired mechs and robots (wink wink). His constructs can have a variety of purposes such as restraining others, amplifying his striking strength, generally holding back/keeping enemies at bay with constructs to fight for him, and even amplifying the strength of those around him, such as creating a construct sphere that absorbed and amplified the powers of Sentinel, Fire, Firestorm, the Ray, and Superman.

Energy Manipulation

Kyle can manipulate the Green Lantern light into concentrated energy blasts or beams from his ring. He can even use energy manipulation into a large form of area of effect around him.These energy blasts are incredibly potent, as even Kyle in his earlier days could harm Mongul with a single blast, and he has harmed beings as powerful as the likes of John Stewart, Parallax-amped Ganthet, and once casually atomized a group of Black Lanterns with energy alone.

Energy Absorption

Kyle can not only manipulate energy, but store/absorb it as well. He can either use this to distribute it back at his opponent as discharges of electricity or use it for his own gain to possibly charge his Green Lantern ring. He can absorb blasts that can destroy entire stars (shown above).

Force Fields

Force fields made of energy are a way for Kyle to amplify his overall durability and protect him from graver injuries. He can summon force fields in multiple ways such as bubbles, barriers, shields, etc. They are incredibly durable, being able to withstand gunfire, nuclear explosions, and even supernovas. It’s also able to withstand attacks from other heavy hitters such as energy blasts from Parallax Hal Jordan or Amazo 2000’s heat vision.

Flight

Kyle is able to casually fly through space without additional equipment. He can fly at speeds well above the speed of light and enter interstellar travel.

Healing

Kyle can heal himself of the wounds or injuries he takes on his body by charging his ring up to 100%.

Intangibility

The ring allows Kyle to pass through solid objects such as walls. However, how effective it is can depend on Kyle’s willpower and the density of an object,

Teleportation

Kyle can use the ring to teleport himself or others across vast distances. He has been shown capable of teleporting short distances such as to a friend or past a wall, and long distances like teleporting from Earth-30 back to Earth-3 (shown above).

Dimensional Travel

The ring grants Kyle access to wormholes in space that allow him to cross vast distances within space if needed and, to some extent, can use it to travel across dimensions. He is capable of opening up transdimensional bleed portals that can take him back to Earth.

Electromagnetic Scanning

Kyle can use his ring to scan for other alternative energy sources. It can scan energy signatures from any practical thing, from radios, radar, television, ultraviolet, infrared, microwave, or high frequency and communications. He can scan technology such as Blue Beetle’s armor to figure out what it is or see and render an invisible alien warship. It can also use the energy signatures it scans to track down people, or track down where the energies themselves are coming from. Upon scanning, the ring can tell Kyle various amounts of information from how big an object is or even if someone is lying.  

Reality Warping

Kyle has demonstrated reality warping abilities on a few occasions. For instance, he was able to change the length of a planck length from 10-33 centimeters to a centimeter (shown above) and has shown the ability to create entire new planets.

Universal Translator

The ring has the ability to translate any foreign or alien language it comes across in the universe such as Atlantean. This is typically used for negotiation or diplomatic purposes to avoid hostile confrontations.

Galactic Encyclopedia

The Green Lantern ring can also act as a reference or guide to Kyle. It’s programmed with information from the Book of Oa and contains historical events on stellar levels, as well as information on planets and its inhabitants. It can also serve as a repository for Kyle’s missions and adventures he has gone on.

Environmental Playback

Upon request, Kyle can use the ring to recreate a holographic environment based on the data stored in its memory banks and replay events or moments, albeit he is unable to alter it.

Communicator

Kyle can use the ring as a personal communicator between other Green Lanterns and sometimes even other Lantern Corps.

Emotional Spectrum Manipulation

During the New 52, Kyle tapped into the ability to tap into not just willpower, but the entire Emotional Spectrum at once, which includes every shade of color, unlike anything the Guardians have seen before. He could use every color of the spectrum at once, which was strong enough to hurt Ganthet, and even contact and message other Lantern Corps members, which was originally impossible. He also gained side effects for his Green Lantern ring, as the Guardians now became unable to command Kyle’s ring or take it off along with being unable to sense it. On top of this, Kyle’s ring can leave behind a distortion field if attempts are made to seize it, which Ganthet cannot even circumvent. Kyle was able to master all of the emotions of the Emotional Spectrum, which includes being able to use their respective and unique abilities such as;

• Rage: Kyle was able to master rage after extensive torture from Atrocitus, and can now channel rage-based abilities such as napalm breath/blood or corrosive blasts of energy.

• Avarice: After charging his Green Lantern ring with the Orange Power Battery, Kyle was able to tap into avarice powers as well, which allowed him to make constructs of himself. 

• Fear: Kyle can channel and use fear to affect other people with it. He can sense the fear in others and instill fear into them in the form of concentrated fear blasts or constructs of their worst nightmares.

• Hope: By channeling hope, Kyle can enhance his own willpower by an extra 100% and heal the wounds of others

• Compassion: Kyle was able to quickly master compassion by learning to teleport on the first try, the Indigo Tribe’s main ability. He can mimic the lights of other Lantern Corps and teleport himself or others across vast distances.

• Love: The last emotion Kyle mastered, he was able to accept love into his heart, which allowed him to heal his fatal wounds. 

White Lantern

After mastering all seven of the shades in the Emotional Spectrum, Kyle became a White Lantern. He became exponentially more powerful, and most of the powers he had as a Green Lantern still carry over to his White Lantern form, only to a much higher mastery and degree.

Emotional Spectrum Mastery

As mentioned before, Kyle was able to manipulate the various shades of the Emotional Spectrum. However, once he accepted love into his heart as the final emotion left, he was able to not only become a White Lantern, but able to fully master and use all of the emotions to their fullest potential. He is still able to use all of the shades of color at once in conjunction with the additional white light. He also gains additional senses that allow him to detect these emotions within others and project them, and is able to sense Volthoom attempting to rewrite the universe. Kyle now has a full mastery of all the emotions and can use them to a much greater extent, which includes;

• Rage: Kyle has now fully mastered the ability to unleash his rage, capable of unleashing napalm breath and corrosive blasts of rage, now being able to create rage constructs and even infect others with rage, which he does on a group of space sharks, causing them to attack each other. 

• Avarice: While he hasn’t demonstrated too much with avarice, he is still able to make constructs of greed.

• Fear: With fear, Kyle can use fear to empower himself and also instill fear into others to go hand in hand with his ability to use fear. He was able to detect Relic’s fears and use them against him in the form of constructs of his worst nightmares. He can also unleash projectiles and constructs of fear. 

• Willpower: Despite becoming a White Lantern, Kyle was still able to retain his ability to channel willpower. One of its main uses is helping protect or will Kyle through mental threats. His willpower is strong enough to break free of influence from the Emotional Entities and even resist all of them attempting to possess Kyle, something the Entities themselves remarked was impossible. He was able to break free of Volthoom’s memory manipulation on two occasions, break free of Oblivions’ illusions by baiting him into revealing his plan, and break free of the Misery Mound’s mental influence. 

• Hope: Kyle can supplement himself or others with hope, as well as use hope augmentation to boost his power up to 200%. He can detect hope with his ring, which has stronger tracking then even Hal Jordan’s ring, and was able to locate and communicate with Sinestro.

• Compassion: Kyle retained the same mastery of using the power of compassion. He was shown capable of unleashing a large area of effect blast of compassion that stopped conflict. His teleportation abilities are even more potent, as he was able to teleport dozens of Godkillers, that were on multiple planets across the cosmos, out of their armor and sends them all to the Odym, something the Guardians thought was impossible that the ring could accomplish. 

• Love: Kyle can channel love in various ways such as crystallization or filling peoples hearts with love. He can form telepathic links via love, as he was able to sense Carol was in danger due to their love connection. 

Energy Constructs

So long as Kyle has a balance of his emotions, he is able to make hardened constructs made out of light energy. His creativity for said constructs still carries over, continuing to make large mechs and large anime-inspired weapons in general. He is also still able to use his constructs to amplify his strength, but in a different way. He can channel specific emotions into the punches and attacks he has, such as this instance where he punches a giant dragon with a punch of rage.

Energy Manipulation

Kyle can unleash white light into various forms of attacks such as energy blasts, beams, or area of effect attacks. They are much more potent than before however, with Kyle implying his energy attacks are better than Star Sapphires, blasting apart Raga, Mogo the living planet's evil brother from his heart inside out, and even destroying countless members of the Third Army. For reference, the Third Army was a powerful race of creatures created by the Guardians that are resistant to Lantern energies and override DNA to convert even Lanterns to Third Army members.

Force Fields

Kyle can use force fields in the forms of bubbles, shields, and barriers, only much more durable than before and made out of white light construct energy. They can stand up to powerful attacks and explosions such as a monster being thrown at Kyle at a significant portion of the speed of light.

Life Manipulation

The White Lanterns’ light allows Kyle to manipulate and draw power from creation and life itself. He can generate life with every footstep he takes, which starts to bring life to creatures on a dead planet. He can also warp the power of light, such as when he entered the Source Wall Relic and manipulate life so that travel from the Source Wall becomes possible. He can also mentally tap into the power of life to view memories and previous lives of deceased beings.

Healing / Resurrection

Like his Green Lantern ring, the White Lantern ring has the ability to heal Kyle of any injuries or wounds if fully charged. While he's implied he is unable to fully resurrect someone from the dead, he has disproved his own reasoning before, albeit with assistance sometimes. He was able to resurrect the dead planet of Korugar and bring Hal Jordan back to life by using his ring as a focal point to take him out of Emerald Space. It was implied Kyle was going to resurrect the Blue Lantern Corps, but Dr. Manhattan tampered with his ring before the process could go through.

Life Connection

Since the White Lantern ring uses the energies of life, it is connected to all of life itself which means all living creatures, along with the Life Entity. It can allow Kyle to see the footprints of life and see the past and present conditions of all life in a limited area around the user and even the "souls" or essence of those who have recently died. He can also sense when life is being taken away on a wide scale, reaching even planetary level. 

Clairvoyance

Kyle’s ring has a unique ability to gain direct visual knowledge or information through non-physical means. He can peer into current events or moments happening from vast distances. He has done this often to keep tabs on the other Lantern Corps such as Larfleeze, Carol, Atrocitus, Indigo-1, and the Blue Lantern Corps.

Feats

Simon

Overall

• Defeated Viral, Lordgenome, Mugann, the Anti-Spiral

• Freed humanity in the Beastman War and the universe in the Anti-Spiral War

• Became Supreme Commander of Kamina City, the city founded on Teppelin's remains and effectively the leader of humanity and of Earth for 7 years

• Generated the energy to keep Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren powered as it was actively siphoned off and converted into mass

• Escaped and combined with the Multiversal Labyrinth

• Swore to prevent the oblivion of the Spiral Nemesis from ever occurring

• Became the strongest Spiral Warrior in the Universe

• Got married

 Power

• Was able to break through a large rock formation as Gurren Lagann early in the series (17.2 megatons of TNT)

• Pulverized Enki’s head as Gurren Lagann

• Drilled through multiple mechs throughout the series

• Drilled through and moved a Mugann the size of a country as Gurren Lagann

• Arc Gurren Lagann blasted a Mugann with enough force to push it back (6.84 teratons of TNT)

• Arc Gurren Lagann is strong enough to punch holes in reality through brute force alone

• Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren was strong enough to pull the moon

• Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann split apart an Ashtanga with one strike (3:30)

• Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann was stated to have energy comparable to a microcosm 

• Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann produced enough energy inside its engines that it was compared to a galaxy being born

• Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann’s Giga Drill Break caused an explosion in size comparable to planets (8:40)

• Simon views all possible universes of all possible doppelgangers of himself in the multiverse as pillars of light, then integrates with them. With infinite possibilities, infinite universes were being integrated by Simon in the multiverse.

• The novelization explanation goes even further, Simon did not only absorb the variations of himself in parallel, but every place, every time including the past and future where the innumerable selves of Simon lives in the multiverse of infinite possibilities.

• Simon, after integrating the Multiverse with himself, is comparable to The Anti-Spiral, who’s stated to transcend time and space

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann’s sniper shots cracked apart the Anti-Spiral’s homeworld (5:42)

• Comparable to the Granzeboma, who chucked multiple galaxies like shurikens (6:04)

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann swung around Granzeboma and later threw it several light years away (9:02)

• Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann caused a big crunch followed by a big bang while clashing against the Granzeboma’s Giga Drill

• The clash is stated to transcend space and time

• Broke the Granzeboma’s Giga Drill

• TTGL is stated to have created the Super Spiral Universe within itself

• Simon himself punched the Anti-Spiral so hard it bled and even managed to drill a hole through it

• The Anti-Spiral created a multiversal labyrinth that is created instant to instant as they are perceived with infinite possibilities

• Each member of Team Dai-Gurren trapped in the labyrinth had their own multiverse

Speed

• Kept up with Sayrune even in underwater as Gurren Lagann, who can move at incredible speeds (Mach 7-18.5)

• Flew into space as Gurren Lagann

• As Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, it can fire on every point of space-time and dimensions, near to past and near to future, against an immeasurable number of targets

• Stated to be able to scan all dimensions and space-time at once.

• At minimum, 3.2320924e71c to 7.8667756211532179371904012341764781821162425640474251... × 10^106 c

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann’s sniper shots can travel light years in seconds (25 quintillion c)

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann also managed to dodge lasers from the Granzeboma that were moving at comparable speeds to the sniper shots (5:08)

• Comparable to the Granzeboma, who threw TTGL several times in less than a second (4:55) (26 quadrillion-13.6 quintillion c)

• Flew to the Anti-Spiral’s homeworld as Lagann (438.15 billion-231.56 trillion c)

• TTGL and STTGL’s sheer sizes mean they’re traveling millions to billions of light years in seconds

Durability

• Gurren Lagann survived Enki slamming it into the ground, creating a massive explosion (6.975 megatons of TNT)

• Tanked being hit by a massive tidal wave (395.432 megatons of TNT)

• Gurren Lagann survived the Dai Gunkai exploding point blank, which caused a massive water explosion (1.275 teratons of TNT)

• Survived being smacked by the Teppelin’s massive hammer as Gurren Lagann (7:16) (5.7 exatons of TNT)

• Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann no-sold planets being thrown at it (3:00)

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann survived being swung to the ground multiple times by the Granzeboma (4:55)

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was still intact after being smashed through multiple galaxies by the Anti-Spiral

• Survived the Anti-Spiral’s Infinity Big Bang Storm, which had enough power to match the creation of the universe

• This same attack also obliterated Lazengann, making it suffer quantum breakdown (5.02134757e85 joules)

• This scales to the actual big bang, which in TTGL, created infinite possibilities

• The overall mass of STTGL and its drill is INSANE (The main body is 3 septillion times heavier than our own universe and the drill is 80.57 nonillion times heavier than our universe) 

Kyle

Overall

• As a Green Lantern…

• One of Earth’s most powerful and iconic Green Lanterns

• Has attained various rankings in the Green Lantern Corps such as the Green Lantern Honor Guard and the Torchbearer

• Helped Superman defeat Mongul on his first outing as a Green Lantern

• Defeated Grayven, the son of Darkseid in single combat

• Using the Circle of Fire, defeated Oblivion, the manifestation of Kyle’s dark impulses

• Became a member of the new Justice League of America

• Has gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Hal Jordan, John Stewart, and even the entire Green Lantern Corps

• Aided Superboy in defeating the Hawaiian goddess Pele

• Became the Ion entity, an omnipresent being made from energies from the sun and Oblivion and willingly gave it up to recharge the Central Green Lantern Power Battery as well as recreate the Guardians of the Universe

• Banded together with the other Lantern Corps to oppose Nekron during the events of Blackest Night

• Defeated the mind-controlling race of the Controllers

• Rebuilt the Green Lantern planet Oa during Brightest Day

• Helped Hal Jordan defeat General Zod

• Sacrificed his life to destroy the Black Lantern Central Power Battery

• As a White Lantern…

• Mastered all seven shades of the Emotional Spectrum

• Fought the Guardians of Universe all at once

• Helped the Guardians of the Universe fight Relic and imprisoned him in the Source Wall

• Found the Life Equation within the Source Wall, the mathematical equation to life and creation itself

• Prevented a war between Highfather and Darkseid

• Defeated the Source Wall promethean giants and took them back to the Source Wall

• Fought and defeated Oblivion a second time

• Saw the Futures End timeline where he went mad and became one with the Source five years later, and undid said future by using the Life Equation to create the White Lantern Corps

• Became an Omega Lantern, joining the Omegas in bringing peace to the Vega system

Power

• As a Green Lantern…

• Can enhance his strength via usage of constructs or use them via restraining methods that are strong enough to restrain the likes of Red Lantern Guy Gardner or Mary Marvel

• Comparable to numerous members of the Green Lantern Corps such as Hal Jordan. Hal Jordan has...

• Fought Doctor Polaris while he was amped on the entire magnetic force of the universe, which holds the universe together

• One-shot Guardian Krona, who had the power of the seven Emotional Entities, which represents the seven minds of the multiverse

• Punch it out with Mongul II, an enemy of Pre-Crisis Superman

• The Dream of the Endless claims that Kyle Rayner as a Green Lantern will eventually surpass Hal Jordan

• Consistently able to damage Major Force, a longtime enemy of Hal Jordan

• Was capable of blocking the Big Bang destruction of Imperiex (shown above), who was powered with multiple galaxies worth of energy stored inside of him

• Created a construct bullet capable of piercing the head of the Anti-Monitor

• Should be noted the Anti-Monitor was much weaker then he was in Crisis on Infinite Earths, as he came fresh out of the Black Lantern Central Power Battery

• Trades hits with Traitor, an enemy of Hal Jordan that Kyle describes as more powerful then Post-Crisis Superman

• Knocks out Kalibak, the son of Darkseid, who can draw blood from Superman

• Donna Troy considers him and Miss Martian the “big guns” of the Teen Titans

• Defeated Amazo 2000, who had the combined powers of the Justice Society of America, Justice League of America, Flash Family, Wonder Woman Family, Superman Family, Marvel Family, and the Teen Titans.

• While mind-controlled, knocks out Wonder Woman in a single hit

• Should be comparable to other Justice League members like Superman and Wonder Woman, which makes him comparable to feats such as…

• Post-Crisis Superman and Golden Age Superman fight on equal footing, affecting the entire DC Universe and bending multiple realities as well as shattering the boundaries of space and time

• Superman can fight Nebula Man who’s a living universe.

• Shazam and Lobo shaking the cosmos in their battle

• Wonder Woman going all out matches the strength of Pre-Crisis Martian Manunter, the physical equal to Pre-Crisis Superman

• Wonder Woman and Superman’s fight was shaking the heavens.

• Pre-Crisis Supergirl destroying a weapon designed to merge universes

• Barry Allen being able to send the space-time continuum into oblivion by running fast enough

• Hurt Parallax Hal Jordan using a ram construct

• As a White Lantern…

• Considered one of the strongest Lanterns in existence, scaling him to feats such as…

• Nekron harming the Life Entity, affecting all living things in creation

• The Spectre (Crispus Allen) was afraid of Parallax Hal and the Butcher’s power

• The Guardians of the Universe comparing Larfleeze’s power to the Parallax Entity

• Volthooom having the power to remake the entire universe in his image

• Capable of trading hits with Oblivion, his dark manifestation equal

• Volthoom calls Kyle a genuine threat to the Guardians of the Universe

• The Guardians peak power has been described as having the power to destroy the entire multiverse, which contains infinite universes                                                                                                                 

Speed

• As a Green Lantern…

• Should easily be capable of interstellar or massively faster than light travel in space

• Created a car construct that crossed over 10 lightyears in a short time frame (5,259,749 c)

• Regularly keeps up with other Lanterns like Hal Jordan and Sinestro

• Comparable to other Lanterns such as Hal Jordan or Guy Gardner

• Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner crossed the universe in under a few hours, meaning Kyle;s cruising speed upscales to 87.6 quadrillion c.

• Hal Jordan can cross the universe in minutes if necessary

• Hal Jordan nearly caused a Speed Force singularity in his attempts to reach Lightray while crossing the universe

• Quickly flies away from Earth with Saint Walker at superluminal speeds

• Catches a photon using a construct

• Escape the gravitational pull of a black hole

• Casually flies from Earth to Oa in a few minutes with Guy Gardner

• Has kept up with and tagged Speed Force users such as Jay Garrick and Wally West

• Catches up to Zero Hour Parallax Hal Jordan despite him having a significant head start

• Keeps up with Superman and flies to the edge of the solar system

• Superman, Overman, and Shazam were capable of blitzing reality-blitzing missiles capable of wiping out all life in the DC Multiverse in a heartbeat (3.15 sextillion c)

• Superman can react to Barry Allen and Wally West running through time just enough to recognize the former.

• Flies to another galaxy in a short amount of time

• Tags Impulse, who can still move faster than the speed of light

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• As a White Lantern…

• Should be comparable to the Guardians, who were able to fly to another galaxy in a short time frame

• Can travel at speeds beyond the laws of physics in transluminal space

• Flies out of the mouth of a space shark

• Dodges a thrown monster that was moving at a significant portion of lightspeed

• Able to easily enter transluminal space, which is just effectively hyperspace 

Durability

• As a Green Lantern…

• Can augment his durability with force fields, which are strong enough to withstand black holes or the intensity of stars on a daily basis

• Scales to other Green Lanterns such as Hal Jordan or Guy Gardner

• Hal Jordan can endure torture from the Emotional Entities and hits from Superboy-Prime

• Survives being blasted by the Hell-Lord Neron

• Should be comparable to other Green Lanterns survive the Crisis on Infinite Earths

• Can tank hits from heavy hitters of the Justice League such as Wonder Woman, Superman, Aquaman, and Wally West

• Wonder Woman was able to endure attacks from the Demon Lord Agony

• Takes a hit from Atrocious that cratered the ground

• Major Force's punch doesn't do anything to Kyle. 

• Has taken hits and blasts from Parallax Hal Jordan and even blocked his attacks with force fields

• Endures an attack from Obsidian and Jade combined despite having his Lantern ring being drained simultaneously

• Tanks two back to back blasts from Traitor, whos blasts contain more energy than stars

• Survives being in the center of an energy blast that destroys Oa 

• Tanks blasts from the Guardian Ganthet that send him flying into a stone structure

• Survives at 4000 ˚F with no discomfort 

• Has tanked energy blasts from other Lanterns such as Kilowog and Sinestro

• As a White Lantern…

• Should be comparable to other high tier Lanterns such as Nekron, who survived a combined blast from every single Lantern Corps.

• Was able to keep himself corporeal despite being affected by Oblivion’s reality warping

• Can tank attacks from Oblivion (shown above), his evil counterpart capable of destabilizing reality

• Endures lightning strikes from Raga, the brother of Mogo. 

• Tanks a punch from Oblivion, who was previously shattering Kyle's mech construct.

• No-sells a sucker punch from Green Lantern Sinestro 

• Survives having his own power redirected at him by Relic

• Endures the Guardians forcibly trying to remove the Life Equation from him 

Weaknesses

Simon

While Simon is extremely powerful thanks to the near-limitless potential of Spiral Energy, this should not be mistaken for outright invincibility. There is a limit to how much damage even Gurren Lagann can take, as even its higher forms such as Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann have been destroyed with enough overwhelming power. Spiral Power also isn’t omnipotent, as it can be corrupted and disrupted with emotions such as anger and grief, though Simon has grown past this weakness thanks to greater experience and mastery. This energy can also be absorbed from Simon, as has occurred in the Anti-Spiral space, possibly dropping Gurren Lagann and its subsequent transformations down in power and becoming unable to operate.

Kyle

Kyle’s rings still function under a charging protocol, and are significantly less powerful the lower his ring charge is on (albeit technically he compensates for this via augmentation, which can increase his charge to 200%). Lantern rings, while extremely powerful, are not indestructible and have been broken by powerful beings before such as Volthoom or Darkseid. And while he has complete mastery over his emotions, the effects of said emotions can still have an effect on Kyle. For example, rage and greed can make him irrational. As a White Lantern, while Kyle has no exploitable weaknesses, it should be noted that Kyle no longer has access to the Life Equation. As mentioned before, Kyle willingly gave it up to avoid going mad after becoming one with the Source, and with help from the Guardians, he split the Life Equation into portions that turned it into the White Lantern Corps, and after that has shown no ability to use it. 

Summary

Simon the Digger

“The dreams of those who’ve fallen! The hopes of those who’ll follow! Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix! Drilling a path towards tomorrow! And that’s Tengen Toppa! That’s Gurren Lagann!”

Advantages:

• Comparable in AP w/o dimensional tiering, much more powerful with it

• Simon’s higher dimensional physiology would mean that not all of Kyle’s hax would be layered enough to affect him

• Probability manipulation can allow him to resist most of Kyle's more deadly attacks and hax

• Probability altering missiles should be able to tag Kyle and be comparable in speed

• Time travel and BFR can be countered by missiles, piercing space, and perceptual space warping

• Energy absorption counters Kyle's own

• Has the coolest transformation sequences in anime

Disadvantages:

• Not as versatile

• Slower speed on his own

• Spiral energy could be corrupted by rage and fear

• No real answer to the Life Equation if included

• Super TTGL is from an asian movie, and thus cannot kill Kyle

• Wife is dead and never coming back

Kyle Rayner

“My name is Kyle Rayner. When I was a kid, I could never decide what I wanted to be when I grew up. Now I know. I’m a Green Lantern. I’m a hero.”

Advantages:

• Comparable in AP w/o dimensional tiering

• Greater versatility

• Superior in speed on his own

• Energy absorption should counter Simon’s own

• Life Equation should surpass Simon even with dimension tiering

• Asian movies can never kill him. He loves them too much.
  
  

Disadvantages:

• Much weaker with dimensional tiering

• Simon being higher dimensional would mean certain haxes such as power null won’t be useful

• Simon’s probability manipulation could prove to be difficult to bypass

• Probability alteration missiles are comparable to Kyle in speed and are near guaranteed to hit him

• Time travel and BFR are countered

• Refrigerators

Before we get to Verdicts

Addressing the Mechs in the Room

The higher dimensionality arguments for Gurren Lagann have always been contentious. We will be going over a breakdown of the argument to see if it holds water.

Is Simon/TTGL “11 dimensional”?

"They've created an oscillating time-space between the membranes of the dimensional universes, the 10th and 11th dimensions."

https://mediag.bunka.go.jp/article/article-15013/

in an interview with Nakashima, the writer of Gurren Lagann series, he said that "multiverse" for him is 11-dimensional:

"Ninja Batman" is a so-called "time thing" in which Batman is transported to the Warring States period. In Japanese anime, there's a restriction that if you change the past, the present will change, and I think people tend to be very cautious when it comes to time-altered anime. You don't worry about that kind of thing, and you go out on a limb.

Nakashima: That's because it's American comics. The world setting of the multiverse, or a universe full of universes, permeates the readership of American comics. And now, the time-modifying stuff is going to be the multiverse stuff, right? There's a whole universe of all kinds of possibilities, so no matter what you do, you're like, "Oh, that universe!" (laughs). The interpretation of the multiverse has advanced so rapidly in the last few decades that when we were children, it was only 4 dimensional, but now it is said to be 11 dimensional. Our job is to tell lies, so we take those theories and twist them into something interesting.

Come to think of it, in "Gurren Lagann", there was a story about "quantum cosmology that exists by being observed".

Nakashima: When I looked up cosmology at that time, I hadn't read it for a while, so I found that it was very advanced. I was given the theory that the universe can be confirmed only if it is observed, and I set up the idea that there is a universe that can be created if we recognize it."

The multiverse as per the databooks is multi-layered, and the interpretation of multiverse in context means higher-dimensional space:

"Arc Gurren Lagann descending on Kamina City. (The Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a virtual quantum body created by the multi-layered multiverse due to the activation of the Super Spiral force. It disappeared when the battle ended and returned to the normal state) the people welcoming the returning members of the Team Dai-Gurren. They are holding Dayakka with Anne in his arms."

To justify the Anti-Spiral's universe being 11-dimensional, as per Gurren Lagann official website, the universe sits on the edge of the multiverse, which in context is the 11 dimensions.

"The final battle between the Spirals and the Anti-Spirals, begins at the edge of the multiverse!"

This wonderful blog further explains the consistency of the narrative in tension for the dimensional universes to more so be spatial dimensions in context:

User blog:GreatIskandar14045/Gurren Lagann High Complex Multiversal Cosmology | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

In essence, both word of god and databooks support the notion that the dimensional universes (10th/11th) characters can scale to are indeed higher dimensions.

Does TTGL possess abstract existence?

This is a strange term, so to vastly oversimplify, this means that said character is an embodiment of a concept, lacking a true physical form, and thus unable to be touched by conventional means. People have attributed TTGL and therefore Simon, as guidebooks refer to it as a “Materialized thought” made of Spiral Energy thus they assume that means it’s non corporeal.

That said, we looked into this claim with Gurren Lagann, and ultimately this isn’t what really happens. Dimensional tiering aside, nothing about the mecha suggests it’s noncorporeal, given that they very clearly impact against the environment around them multiple times, and the pilots are able to interact with it conventionally. It’s not saying that TTGL is a concept that has to be erased, it’s that Spiral Power reacts to the users’ thoughts and thus creates the mecha in reality. This is similar to how other aspects of Spiral Energy work, such as the transdimensional travel that Simon uses to get to Nia (Basically focusing his thoughts on reaching Nia through emotion and transporting to her) or Lordgenome referring to Super Spiral Space as a place where “Thought is given form”, so it likely works on the same principle.

TL;DR, No, it’s just thinking of the mecha and Spiral Energy makes it real.

Does Simon need his teammates?

According to this interview, Simon is Gurren Lagann himself with his own power, due the fact that the Spiral Power comes from Simon, not the robot itself which is just an amplifier, and an armor.

"When you see the climax, you can see that Simon himself is Gurren Lagann, isn't he?

Imaishi: That's right. You don't need a mecha, you don't need to combine, you just need one body.

Imaishi: I can't help but feel that way. Because Simon himself has the power. The Spiral Power doesn't come from the robot, but from Simon, and that's the only way to drop it. The robot itself is just an amplifier. It's like an armor."

Simon kept all of the spiral energy after the final fight, and was capable of going toe to toe with the Anti-Spiral, even killing it directly.

Also, both Simon and Lordgenome were able to recreate their mechs with energy.

Bonus: Life Equation

(Bang here) So I wanted to put this here now since lately we’ve been having these little sections for what we collectively think about something, so I’ll throw in the big overarching reason why the Life Equation will not be included in regards to what is given to Kyle;

First off, it isn’t standard. Period. Yes, White Lantern itself isn’t standard to Kyle as a whole, but it is the version used primarily against Simon, and before he lost the White Lantern ring, he lost the Life Equation. The simple timeline, is he lost the Life Equation willingly in New Guardians #40, which came out in 2015. He gave up its power willingly after seeing the future timeline where he goes mad and becomes one with the Life Equation/Source itself in Green Lantern: New Guardians: Futures End. To undo this timeline, he split the Life Equation into portions with assistance from the Guardians of the Universe to create the White Lantern Corps and stop Oblivion, his evil future counterpart. Past that point, he showed no signs of using it again. Hell on the DC Database it flat out lists the Life Equation as being equipment Kyle formerly used. Then he lost the White Lantern ring in Hal Jordan And The Green Lantern Corps #17, which was released in 2017. He lost it in an attempt to revive the Blue Lantern Corps, but Dr. Manhattan’s interference caused Kyle to get cut off from its power completely, and it was gone from that point onward.

Verdicts

Cyber

Bleach is back baby!

Kyle versus Simon.

A fight born recently from the endeavor of devoted fans and a fight that in essence is just beauty.

Initially I perceived this as just a forced attempt at a spiritual successor to Hal Jordan versus Ben 10 but after viewing both characters extensively and the dynamic that can be done with both I very much feel that this is its own unique beast. This is my most wanted for Simon, though I feel like getter robo is a very close second, having arguably the best dynamic with Simon's entire team for an epic team Battle. I would be more than fine with either being done by Death Battle.

So wins this clash of cosmic Heroes? Initially I was under the impression that Kyle would come out on top via the life equation.  Being comparable to the anti life and due to the absurdness of DC cosmology, it only seemed natural that it would shut down anything that could possibly be argued for simon. However the problem lies in the aspect of it being standard (or at least what would be considered standard). The life equation is something that Kyle had for even less time than he was a White lantern and even that is something he doesn't have anymore. My friend bang does a much better breakdown as to why it shouldn't really be used but if death battle did decide to use it I would still argue given the difficulty in properly controlling it the fight could still potentially be debatable though it would heavily lean Kyle.

It could be brought up that other characters have been given similar items before despite this, such as Thanos. The issue is the infinity gauntlet is ICONIC, everybody knows about it. Other versions of thanos have also acquired the gauntlet as well, making it a little for “standards”. The life equation does not have this luxury. It is generally unknown to most comic readers and only 1 version of Kyle has had iot before losing it.

This verdict however is going under the view that it is not standard. Investigating the data books that that gurren lagann has available, alongside it's manga, has revealed that Kyle has a lot he has to deal with when it comes to Simon. Simon is literally a more broken version of Bleach's Yhwach, possessing greater temporal abilities than even the Almighty.

Kyle's access to the power is granted by the White lantern ring and even access to the standard green provides a plethora of counters to the surprisingly large quantity of abilities Simon has at his disposal. However the most prevalent disparity that exists between the two is just the massive power Gap. If we look into the multiversal+ interpretation for both You could argue them being relative due to the absurdness of the amount of universes that DC has within its Multiverse/Multiverses. Likewise the novelization, manga and data books for gurren lagann take the size of the labyrinth to the absurd, rivaling what you could argue for Kyle and even more so.

You can argue essentially extremely high-end mftl+ for both combatants and even the potential for both having immeasurable speed (for oversimplification speed faster than time). If you believe it's possible to have multiple levels in this speed category, Kyle would arguably be faster though this in itself is contentious.

What really ends up deciding this in the end is the bane of most versus debating. Dimensional tiering, the notion that existing on a higher dimensional level would indicate that you have higher dimensional power.

From a scientific perspective dimensional tiering does not inherently indicate that you would be far more powerful, just that you would have the ability to access more dimensions then a lower dimensional being would.

However DC for one goes out of its way to establish that higher dimensional beings not only can access higher dimensions but also this correlates to their overall attack potency and physicality.

This doesn't correlate too much to Kyle without the life equation being brought in. It can be argued that he scales to the bleed in some shape or form but it was made very clear recently that at least as a Green lantern he would die from being within it for too long.

As a White lantern it's debatable if he would scale to higher dimensionality in DC. It is far more consistent for him to scale into the multiversal tiers then it would be into the higher dimensional ones.

For Simon, things get interesting. The anime by itself I personally do not believe has enough evidence to substantiate that the so-called dimensional universes that are numbered have anything to do with higher spatial dimensions. However it is very clear that the narrative intention is for them to be so given the multitude of statements that exist from the franchise creators or writers, data books ,mangas, and canonical novelizations.

Not only that but it's also clear that due to how spiral energy works, the spatial dimensions within the verse also indicate higher levels of power similar to DC.

There is evidence that the extra dimensional labyrinth that was absorbed was not only just a Multiverse but rather an entirely higher dimensional construct. Even without this Simone also scales to the aforementioned higher dimensional universes, that the anti-spiral also scales to.

This would put Simon comfortably at his peak at what we would call 11th dimensional. This is simply far too high of a dimensional gap for Kyle to meet. If you scale Kyle to the bleed, there is also the issue of the consistency of what level of higher dimensionality that construct even is. There was a statement from books written by Grant Morrison that would give indication that the bleed is 5th dimensional, though there is also evidence that it's much higher than that and potentially could be infinite.

There are also statements of universes being higher dimensional in dc but this is not consistent at all.

I would put the most faith on what the intended higher dimensionality of the bleed is within the hands of Grant Morrison as he is the one who heavily reinvented a lot of DC's cosmology to reflect off of theories regarding spatial dimensions.

Getting back into hacks, one of the most interesting aspects of this debate is how probability manipulation would go about in this fight. Simon can make it extremely difficult for Kyle to tag them, though I could see it happening regardless. 

In the end though, Simon’s AP advantage is solely why I favor him the winner.

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Simon VS Kyle is honestly one of the most interesting fights I’ve delved into. Ever since we had to vote on which mid-season blogs would be done, I knew this would happen and I knew then that if I wanted to make a verdict, I would need to figure out who I think wins because I’ve been jumping between Simon and Kyle for the last one year (time flies!) but I think I’ve figured it out :)

    Starting off, one thing needs to be out of the way. If the Life Equation is included, Simon definitely takes an L. Now, Anti-Life Equation scaling and Life Equation scaling is generally a pain to deal with. People like to say that they’re both high outerversal via being individual halves of the Source. Ignoring the fact that the Source’s upgrade in Death Metal would now make it boundless, it has been clarified that the Equations cannot be scaled to the Source as the Source is the ultimate concept from which all things come from and are contained within, therefore debunking the notion that beings such as Darkseid or ideas such as the Anti-Life Equation scale to it. That being said, the Life Equation still grants complete control over the very idea of life itself and allows the user to rewrite reality on an unimaginable level. Even if you argue that Kyle cannot win through AP with the Equation (which itself is contentious to platonic archetypes such as Darkseid referring to it in awe), the hax the Life Equation grants is certainly enough to break through Simon’s resistances and hand him the win. However, even though this is all well and good, the Life Equation is not standard and cannot be given to Kyle under fair circumstances.

    What does this mean for him? Well, this means that Kyle’s best feats would consistently be around the multiversal+ range. Granted, in DC, multiversal+ is generally higher than what it would be in most other franchises due to them having infinite multiverses and each of those multiverses being infinite themselves and the universes in them being infinite in size and creating infinite realities every moment for every action done. Against a franchise with a cosmology as vast as DC, this would be damning for most franchises, Gurren Lagann included… or so I thought. But I was actually right originally because DC still has at least one more layer on it so Kyle’s still stronger in multi+ scaling if it comes down to it but by how much is arguable. Simon’s dimensional tiering. Simon the Digger scales to 10 - 11D brane multiverse whose universes are higher dimensional. Now, to put it simply (and I’ll try to explain in more detail in the Batman VS Iron Man blog (stay tuned!)), both DC and Gurren Lagann follow the idea where higher dimensions are beyond infinitely more superior to lower ones and that characters of said magnitude can scale in terms of stats. DC makes it a bit more complicated as their cosmology reaches far, far higher in terms of peaks, but as far as Kyle scales… I really can’t say I see him getting past infinite 4D or multiversal+. If Simon scales to 10 or 11D, well, he’s several, several, several infinities beyond Kyle and that’s still being generous considering that dimensional tiering is much more complicated than that. Does it scale to speed? It might. Dimensional tiering is like that. If you’re 5D, you’re officially beyond normal space and time, meaning your speed could very well contextually scale and in this case, it does. If they both have immeasurable speed, one can argue that Kyle’s is layered and I’ll say it is. DC heralds do have their fair share of MFTL+, infinite, and immeasurable speed feats, each of them layered to immense degrees. That applies to Kyle as a Green Lantern. White Lantern Kyle is far more powerful. Generally, this would mean Kyle would be seen to be faster but if the dimensional tiering strikes Simon in speed too, it certainly puts him at a point where he can’t be blitzed. 

   

Even if Kyle did blitz though, with a power gap like that, there is no way he’s harming Simon without some good hax. Luckily for him, he’s a Lantern and as we all know, those rings are some of the most powerful weapons in the entire multiverse. What doesn’t work for him is that Simon straight up resists most of the hax. Energy absorption is countered and those missiles take care of time, space, and reality manipulation pretty well. Sealing and BFR? Those are countered too. If Kyle tries to attack Simon through time, the missiles will still attack him, unaffected by the time manip. That’s not even bringing in how Simon can just undo the changes to space and time himself. When it comes to power nullification, Simon is once again, many, many, many infinities above him and that’s being nice to Kyle. Maybe he can corrupt the Spiral Energy. There’s a possibility of that. After all, Kyle doesn’t just have Green Lantern hax. He has the abilities of Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue, Indigo, and Violet Lanterns as well. Red and yellow are perfect for corruption. That being said, I just don’t see this as an effective wincon when the guy you’re fighting only needs one hit to splatter you like a bug. Simon’s not that much slower and you can very well argue he’s faster if you wanted to. I didn’t even mention probability manipulation yet. That renders so much of Kyle’s abilities null. One might think probability manipulation is C-tier ability, but nooooo. It’s probably one of the best things you can have. It branches off into so many other territories that it practically becomes a superpower that can invent new superpowers on the fly. Do you want to tap into the probability of your opponent’s powers not working? Okay then! In Simon’s case, he can make Kyle’s attacks null if they were to even do damage in the first place due to the insane power gap. At the end of the day, I can see Kyle winning, but he would need a massive power boost to do so. The Life Equation is that boost. If he gets it, he could be the one splattering Simon or at the very least, haxxing him into oblivion. Without it though? I don’t see him winning. Simon’s massive power advantage combined with his massive durability edge and his probability manipulation would make it difficult for Kyle to lanturn this into a win. The winner is Simon the Digger.

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SPIRALING GALAXIES IN MY MIND!

LEAD ME OUT TO THE OTHER SIDE!

TO THE OTHER SIDE!

FROM THE EDGE OF THE DEPTHS I LEFT,

DIGGING UP OUT INTO THE LIGHT!

(God bless Brandon,Tre, Hyper, and everyone who helped get this song. Listen to it here.)

So, Kyle vs Simon is a fight that’s come up over the past few years. And having gotten to see what Green Lanterns can do and watched Gurren Lagann, this has risen up to one of my most wanted fights. The sheer insanity of everything these two can bring on a cosmic level and beyond, with it oozing with potential for awesome animation, an insanely hype track, and just pure unrestrained scale has me sold. So much so that I even pooled together money with a bunch of friends to get a song for it. I absolutely love it.

Anyways, this debate for the longest time was thought to be an easy stomp in favor of Simon, which it would be if you only included Green Lantern for Kyle. He just outright overpowers him with little to no difficulty, easy as that. But, because the main idea of this fight is that the two were able to master the energies in their universes, this brings in White Lantern Kyle. Who is farrrrrr in a league of his own, given that he has the powers of every Lantern Corps and plenty of his own to spare. And easily makes this incredibly close.

Starting out, both should get around Multiversal+ levels of power fairly handedly, seeing as how Kyle was said to be a threat for the Guardians, who have multiple statements of being able to destroy DC’s entire multiverse, which is infinitely spanning in size, and Simon merging with the Multiversal Labyrinth, which contains an infinite number of universes, each created from the infinite possibilities moment to moment by each pilot. You can argue as to whether or not Simon integrated with or absorbed the multiverse, but it should still scale to him either way, seeing as how its power source is still available for him to use one way or another, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is confirmed in an interview to create the Super Spiral Space within itself. So he should still scale to it one way or another.

As for how speed goes, both can easily reach speeds massively faster than light and then some. Kyle compares to different DC heralds like Superman, Flash, and Shazam, who have feats of flying across the universe reaching speeds from quadrillions to sextillions time the speed of light, but this is barely scratching the surface. Many of DC’s top tiers have feats of travelling back in time through sheer speed alone, and more recently, Hal as a Green Lantern has managed to nearly breach the Speed Force while chasing down Lightray, making Kyle easily scale past all of them and reach immeasurable speed. Simon has similar feats reaching MFTL, with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann’s sheer movement alone and being thrown through galaxies reaching speeds from quadrillions to quintillions times lightspeed, but most absurd is the probability alteration missiles, which can attack every point in space and time through the past, present, and future in a literal planck instant, putting them at similar immeasurable speeds. When taking these into account, Kyle would hold the overall advantage in speed, seeing as how Simon’s immeasurable speed attacks would be limited to missiles that nobody has shown in-tandem movement or reactions to, while Kyle would be able to do so naturally. While this means Simon could logically hit Kyle, it also means that Kyle would be consistently faster, even if he would be taking plenty of damage himself given the missile’s greater area of effect with them hitting every point in space and time and whatnot.

Now, here’s the real reason this debate gets so contentious. The hax and abilities these two have. And both have a good deal of counters to the powers they possess. Both possess energy absorption and similar energies that possess reality warping applications while being powered by willpower, meaning that both could continue to steal and reclaim any energy from each other and ensure their reserves would likely stay about even. Kyle’s rage and fear energy can corrupt Simon’s Spiral Energy reserves, while Simon’s ability to warp time and space along with the probability alteration missiles can counter any of Kyle’s attempts to send him to another dimension, or chase down Kyle if he were to try to use time travel. Both can also heal themselves, break through dimensions, create defenses from energy alone, and so on, with Kyle very well coming ahead of Simon in his versatility. But the big thing for Simon is the probability manipulation that Spiral Energy allows, which will ensure any damage can come to targets or damage won’t affect the user regardless of whether or not they’re blocked, allowing him to damage Kyle regardless of whether or not his attacks directly hit Kyle. And the Anti-Spiral still being able to use probability manipulation as a shield even when equal to TTGL, with the two using similar power sets overall makes me lean towards this being able to be applied to Simon defensively too, which helps guard against a large deal of Kyle’s attacks and powers, even including his connection to the Life Entity and transference of damage when hurt himself. With Simon’s power, defenses, and area of effect taken into account, I see him winning with very high difficulty. 

And of course, there’s the “fun” part of the debate. Dimensional tiering. If you don’t understand what that is, basically existing in a higher dimensional plane of existence makes your sheer presence superior to anyone below you, at a stage where you’d be nigh untouchable. To simplify, imagine a 2-dimensional drawing in comparison to you, a 3-dimensional being. Now you would basically be that to a being who is 4-dimensional. And it’s very widely despised by many, both because it takes the fun out of debating and because it’s a pain to say whether they’re referring to a spatial dimension or just another universe. This is a very contentious point of debate, as the Anti-Spiral is said to hail from and control a universe “Between the membranes of the 10th and 11th dimensions”. On its own, whether they mean another universe or a higher plane of existence is questionable at best and would be dubious. But having read through guidebooks of Gurren Lagann, I would ultimately lean towards them being spatial dimensions rather than other universes. Lordgenome refers to these dimensions as “membranes”, the show makes frequent reference to quantum mechanics with a writer outright referencing multiversal theory and higher dimensions of 4th and 11th dimensionality as something he tries to use as a reference point to “twist into something more interesting”, the guidebooks referring to the multiverse as multi-layered, and the manga depicting the dimensions as layered branes are enough evidence for me to buy it. So if dimension tiering is taken into account, this would put Simon 5-6 planes of existence of Kyle scaling to the 4-5 dimensional Guardians which is uhhhhhh.

Yeah.

On the other hand, if the Life Equation is included, it’d be more than enough to surpass Simon, even with dimensional tiering. It’s able to warp all of reality up to emanations of the Source Wall, which reaches high into DC’s cosmology to the point of going past dimensional planes said to reach into hundreds of thousands and even infinite dimensional. Now, should this be given to Kyle? It’s extremely difficult to say, not for fairness’ sake, but simply because he’s long since lost it, even before losing his White Lantern powers. Having willingly made it so he no longer had it and no longer having it at his peak, which was years before Manhattan caused him to lose his powers, would make this non standard in most cases. But, he has been said to master it beyond anyone else, and Death Battle has given combatants powers that have belonged to them to a strong enough extent even after losing it, such as Lobo’s regeneration abilities. I’m not really sure either way, but I’d probably lean more towards it being given to him if the episode happens. 

This is a ridiculously complicated debate, and it’s certainly possible for either to win. I’d ultimately give it to Simon with and without dimension tiering taken into account, but if given the Life Equation, Kyle would have what he needs to win. 

In the end, only one had the will to lan-turn things around and ensure his opponent was going, going, La-gone.

Hyperstarman

(Made this for my most wanted match, really proud of it, hope it happens one day.)

Heyo, back here for another blog. So this is it, the big one, the big finale for the mid season blogs before death battle returns from the long mid season break. Simon the Digger vs Kyle Rayner the White Lantern. I always thought this matchup was neat first laying eyes on it. Then after my friends got me to watch Gurren Lagann, I was hooked on this idea. Then I helped contribute to the yates track and made a highly edited mini tribute featuring art from all kinds of people from the community, most of which from Dek who was nice enough to link it for me in the blog. So it's safe to say that I am massively invested in this match now. Just the spectacle of two symbols of will and life itself duking it out in a battle of cosmic proportions is something I am all down for and highly anticipate when this becomes a reality. Massive shout out to Phantom, Cyber, Dek and Time for getting me into this match, getting me to watch Gurren Lagann and as well as few of em for embarking on the commission quest, it's something that I had a blast doing and I’m hoping to continue to do more of in the future.

Now as far as the debate goes, boy is it a doozy and quite complicated going into it. I'll keep it as simple as possible going over this. Both are pretty comparable in AP being around multi +, Simon absorbing and breaking out of the multiversal labyrinth and Kyle scaling to the Guardians who can destroy the entire multiverse, both of which contain infinite universes. Kyle is faster than Simon on his own as Kyle scales to characters who reach immeasurable speeds such as Hal who nearly caused a Speed Force singularity while chasing down Lightray. While Simon on his own can’t match that, his probability alteration missiles are comparable in speed to Kyle and are most certainly able to hit him as they can attack every point in space and time through the past, present, and future. Kyle has versatility pretty easily but Simon's probability manipulation has the potential to counter a good amount of his more potent abilities like time travel and BFR. So it's pretty even overall with neither side having a big obvious advantage. 

But now we get into the major elements in contention, dimensional tiering and the life equation which single handedly turn the tides to it leaning one way or the other. Dimensional tiering in the most simple analogy I can put it, I see a drawing on a paper and me as 3-dimensional being see that as a 2-dimensional being and a 4-dimensional being sees me like how I see that drawing. It’s very complicated but that’s the most simple way I can put it. And with dimensional tiering Simon would be 10-11D while Kyle would only be 5D giving Simon a tremendous advantage. The big thing in contention about it though is if it’s a spatial dimension or a universe for Simon. I personally say spatial dimension cause as addressed earlier, guidebooks and writers outright confirm it to be the case. So with this Simon should take it right? Well then there’s another matter to address, the life equation. The life equation is able to warp all of reality which includes the Source Wall and that thing gets ludicrously high into the DC cosmology, able to reach infinite dimensionality which would be way above what Simon can handle. Now the thing in contention regarding it is if it’s standard for Kyle and should it be given to him in this fight. After looking at both sides of it, I personally think he shouldn’t. He willingly gave it up after he saw himself go mad with it in an alternate timeline and hasn’t used it since and I feel that’d go against his character to include it, at least personally. 

So in conclusion, while both combatants have plenty of advantages and are quite matched in several areas, Simon’s major AP advantage gives him the leg up needed to rise up victorious in this bout.

Oh ye no pun this time around, I got a song I need to listen to. Ahem

IN BRIGHTEST DAY! AS DARKEST ILLS!

NO HEAVEN OR SPACE CAN STOP MY DRILL!

WE SHINE ALIGHT AS POWER FILLS!

CAUSE NOTHING CAN CONTAIN OUR WILL!

Phantom Falcon

Two characters I love in a cosmic scale fight unlike anything we’ve ever seen before. I adore this matchup and I’m overjoyed this got popular in the community. Let’s hope this can pierce the heavens and become a reality one day

Simon and Kyle are at the very minimum multi+. Kyle scales to the Guardians being capable of wiping out the infinite DC multiverse, and this is consistent with feats from Parallax Hal, who Kyle can scale to. Specifically, being capable of recreating the entire Crisis on Infinite Earths, another similarly sized multiversal scale event. Or killing the Time Trapper, someone who fought Infinite Man, the literal embodiment of the time stream, which is ALSO infinite/countless. Meanwhile, Simon absorbed/integrated with the Anti-Spiral’s infinitely sized multiversal labyrinth, with each member of Team Dai-Gurren trapped in it having their own multiverse, as the multiverse grows instant by instant as they are perceived. This is pretty consistent with Simon absorbing infinite versions of himself across all of time and space, and the Big Bang in TTGL most likely creating the entire infinite multiverse of the series, which the IBBS was on par with 

Both verses are on some kind of crack I tell you

Dimensional tiering is when things get bor-I mean uh, interesting. Long story short, Gurren Lagann’s cosmology heavily supports the usage of spatial dimensions. Lord Genome outright naming branes, the show referencing quantum physics, the labyrinth being described as multi-layered/extra dimensional, and the creator using multiverse theory, outright referencing the 4th and 11th dimensions and trying to “twist them into something interesting” seem pretty clear cut, and Simon scales via (S)TTGL absorbing the labyrinth and fighting the Anti-Spiral, giving him 11-D spatial scaling. DC’s cosmology overall is indeed bigger, but Kyle doesn’t get any of the stuff that can put him to the degrees of dimensional tiering Simon is in, as the Guardians can only reach 5-D give or take, meaning he’s literally 6 layers of infinity below Simon. The higher you are in dimensional tiering, the more “my infinity is above your infinity” you are. And this isn’t helped by the sheer size of STTGL. Even assuming a density comparable to that of air, STTGL’s main body I calc’d to be 3 septillion times heavier than the mass of our entire universe. And that’s not accounting for the massive drill, which can swing around and spin at quintillion times the speed of light, a drill which is absurdly durable over all points and can withstand impacts against equally absurdly fast, absurdly heavy drills all concentrated on a single point at the tip. It’s like getting stabbed by a knife twisting at lightspeed while being pushed by the mass of a universe behind it. It’s gonna fucking hurt. And it’s unlikely Kyle can outlast Simon even with his speed advantage. Not only is the drill fucking MASSIVE, probability missiles are comparable in speed to Kyle’s own and can attack every point in space and time. Combine that Simon’s own probability alteration manipulation, it’s pretty much guaranteed Kyle is going to get hit once, and one hit is all Simon needs

Kyle’s hax doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things when he’s too lower layered into dimensional tiering for them to affect him. His best shot is the Life Equation, but that’s pretty non standard as we’ve discussed above. One could argue DB would include it more times than not, but this verdict isn’t gonna abide by what DB will do. It’s my personal opinion on how the fight should go, and I believe Simon the Digger, against all odds, with his cosmic strength, sheer overwhelming size, and probability manipulation will give him this victory

Will of the Drill slaps btw

STARS ARE FORMING

BIG BANG STORMING

TEAR A HOLE IN THE SKY

LEAVE ANOTHER WORLD BEHIND

(Credit to one of my closest friends for this amazing piece of art. Follow them here)

Time

(Tear a hole in the sky! Leave another world behind!)

Here we arrive at our final prediction blog of the mid-season break, Simon the Digger VS Kyle Rayner! I’ve always been a huge fan of SeaKyle, and this blog’s been a long time in the making. With a week left until Death Battle returns with Brony, let's end this break with a bang!

Before we begin this rundown, I want to take a moment to mention the incredible support for this matchup from the community. From Brandon’s excellent song above, which alone was a passionate commission by a pool of 8-9 people including myself, to wonderful fan art from various artists. Of these mid-season blogs, which were chosen by vote, Simon VS Kyle blew every other match out of the water, including the other four completed prior. Something about this fight clearly clicks with the community, and it’s easy to see why. It’s a cosmic scale battle between masters of Universe-spanning energy sources embodying life and strengthened by will. Carrying the legacies of those who came before them, both rose to the challenge from humble beginnings to do the impossible and see the invisible, turning from normal lads to the greatest masters ever known to their respective groups. Taking two characters who embody empowering journeys of overcoming insurmountable odds through faith and understanding of your abilities and sheer sense of willpower. All of that, combined with the incredible fight dynamic full of various abilities and transformations that pit everything Gurren Lagann and DC’s Lantern Corps have to offer make for nothing less than an incredible and cosmic fight. Plus, Kyle is a fucking weeb with a fetish for mecha, including Gurren Lagann, so this fight can satisfy all your giant robot fight needs.

Jumping into the actual debate, let’s begin with stats. As the Whilte Lantern, Kyle obviously scales to and above every significant Lantern, including the likes of Hal Jordan. He alone has even been called a threat to the Guardians of Oa, who at their peak could potentially destroy an infinite Multiverse. Kyle could also potentially scale to the Bleed, which is a likely 5 dimensional space which connects many DC Universes, via matching the likes of Flashes. Speed-wise, he can easily and regularly travel between galaxies and across the Universe in short periods of time, as well as fly at speeds considered beyond the laws of physics. Especially since he can regularly keep up with heroes like Superman and Flashes, who frequently move at Immeasurable speeds, it’s likely Kyle can do the same. Simon, on the other hand, is at the very least also Multiversal in power via absorbing the entire Multiversal Labyrinth into himself to escape it, which was created by the Anti-Spiral as a prison made of infinitely increasing Universes, as well as match that same Anti-Spiral in combat. However, as explained by others above and below me, Gurren Lagann operates on a cosmology of Super Spiral Space likely existing in 11 dimensions, where each one adds infinitely more size to the cosmos than the last. An 11 dimensional construct which (Super) Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann contains and creates within itself. Speed-wise, the sheer size of (S)TTGL allows for travel across billions of lightyears to take mere seconds at most, though the higher dimensional structure of stronger forms of Gurren Lagann transcending conventional space-time makes Immeasurable speed also reasonable to argue. Overall, without dimensional arguments, both are likely comparable in power, while with Simon would be much stronger due to operating on a far grander cosmic scale. Speed-wise, Kyle is likely faster unless Immeasurable Simon is argued, although the specifics of speed are largely irrelevant due to some of Simon’s abilities.

Comparing their abilities is quite interesting. From a glance, it’s obvious Kyle is a good deal more versatile. With all of the energy construct and reality warping shenanigans common to Green Lanterns on top of all of the trademark abilities from every Lantern Corps, Kyle can do almost anything he sets his mind to. However, Simon isn’t exactly left in the dust. Him breaking out of the Multiversal Labyrinth alone makes it nigh impossible to beat Simon through mind fuckery or BFR, and he has a lot more to work with defensively. Simon and his mechs frequently ignore conventional limitations of space-time, allowing them to attack the past, present, and future simultaneously. He also deals a good bit with manipulating probability, from both having and tanking missiles which will guarantee damang hits on the opponent by altering probability. These factors make an enemy’s speed advantage largely irrelevant, as their attacks will be manipulated to miss, and no evasion can beat the altered probability of an attack landing in the past and future simultaneously. Although Simon could never match a Lantern in variety, he has the tools to mitigate many of Kyle’s more dangerous abilities, and make his own hits really count. 

However, a major elephant still remains in the room. For a somewhat brief period of time, Kyle possessed the Life Equation, a complete antithesis of Darkseid’s Anti-Life and the source of all life in DC. With the Life Equation, Kyle is capable of subconsciously rewriting reality and life itself on at least a Universal scale to constantly give him an edge in combat. As the Anti-Life Equation’s equal and opposite, the Life Equation should scale to it completely. The A-LE has been able to perform feats like breaking through the Source Wall and is a part of the Source itself. Likewise, Kyle with the Life Equation was able to alter the Source Wall itself so it became possible to return from the Source. All this affinity to the Source implies Kyle with the Equation can scale to it, at least to some degree, as he is able to manipulate the DC cosmos on its level. This is important, as the Source Wall is far higher in dimensionality than the Bleed where Kyle may scale to normally. Far enough higher to likely be composed of infinite dimensions, which vastly surpasses even Simon’s 11. Even scaling to a miniscule fraction of the Source’s power would likely give Kyle a massive strength edge, at least at his full potential. Simon isn’t necessarily completely doomed, as Kyle’s control over the Life Equation is very limited and subconscious in nature, and by the time he parted with the Life Equation he never even began to master it. Regardless, the sheer power of the LE would likely beat Simon consistently if included, but as others have mentioned, Kyle’s time with the Equation was quite limited.

So, the real question is should Kyle be given the Life Equation? It’s definitely not standard. In Kyle’s 27 year run as a superhero, he’s only had the LE for a couple years, and willingly gave it up two years prior to the end of his White Lantern career. Although this is also true for Kyle as a White Lantern altogether, as he was only donning White from 2012 to 2017, his growth as the White Lantern and the iconicity it holds to his character make it universally accepted to include in the fight. The Life Equation is no such icon for Kyle. However, it is worth noting that the Equation was inseparable from Kyle while he had it, and it is stated only he can tap into its full potential. It’s implied the Life Equation is effectively the culmination of every Emotional Spectrum light combining into white, being the embodiment of the Life that Kyle wields as a White Light. The Equation also bonded into Kyle’s WL ring directly upon coming in contact with the Source, and remained inseparable from it until Kyle split his ring willingly. What this all means is the Life Equation is effectively meant for Kyle and represents the peak of power he can achieve. Even if it’s non-standard, Kyle could very well receive the Life Equation for a Death Battle, since it represents the peak of what his character embodies as a White Lantern.

In conclusion, Simon should win if the Life Equation is left out through sheer strength, but Kyle should take it if it’s included. While many here have deemed the LE as a non-factor, I believe its connection to Kyle’s character and major significance in his White Lantern character arcs make it likely to appear in a Death Battle setting. Thus, although Simon can do the impossible and create the drill to pierce the heavens, Kyle is the one to end Simon’s Brightest Day and bring about his Blackest Night.

BangJang96

Now THIS is more like it. Now that Sonic vs Flash has been concluded, this has jumped to the #1 spot of my most wanted match-up period. Kyle will always be my 2nd favorite Lantern behind Larfleeze, he’s honestly one of the most creative, relatable, nerdy, and fun characters in comics period. He’s a good boi and frankly him having a match-up that has gotten so colossally loved over the years has become awesome. And to help appreciate this match-up more, I decided to watch Gurren Lagann and that anime is a solid 10/10. The action is awesome and left me in awe, the overarching theme of human evolution represented via spiral energy/will was super enjoyable, and the theme song was a pure banger. So it goes without saying that I love both of these characters. The theme is awesome, the potential is amazing, and the dedication I’ve seen to this match from the community is amazing. From thumbnails to fan-made trailers to an actual score made for it by Brandon. I am more than honored to be talking about such a cosmically fun match-up for the ages. Now let’s get into it because hooooo boy we got some rabbit holes to go down. Oh and spoil alert, Kyle fucking ANNIHILATES. Doesn’t matter how big Gurren Lagann’s cosmology is, doesn’t matter if spiral energy is infinite, quite frankly Kyle counters everything via one simple image;

Thank you and goodni-

Alright in all seriousness, I wish it was this easy, but it isn’t, so let’s get into quite frankly the biggest and most annoying elephant in the room;

First off, I’m just gonna say it for the upteenth time; No. The Life Equation is not standard. I briefly mentioned it above, I’ve been asked this many times, and no, Kyle cannot use it anymore. I explicitly explained why above so I’m not gonna repeat myself.

Now let’s get into the nitty gritty of this debate;

I think in terms of overall strength, Simon should solidly take it. Admittedly I’m still having to refresh myself on the overall bulk of Simon’s strength, but it involves two big words; dimensional tiering. Simon was able to escape the Multiversal Labyrinth, which functions under a 10D/11D brane multiverse, and was able to defeat the Anti-Spiral. Super Tengenn Toppen Gurren Lagan itself should also be complex multiversal in overall attack potency since it’s confirmed it has power above time, space, and the entire multiverse itself, which create infinite amounts of universes in single instants. For more information on GL’s vast cosmology, I’d recommend you read this blog regarding it, filled with more detailed information then I myself could go far down into.  Kyle, being a White Lantern, can bring assumptions that he instantly makes huge jumps to skyfather level, allowing him to match Simon’s sheer power advantage. Unfortunately...it’s not entirely the case. White Lantern Kyle at best can peak at multi+ to possibly low complex multi if you buy him scaling to the more higher end feats of people like Parallax Hal Jordan. Volthoom called Kyle a genuine threat to the Guardians of the Universe, who have a statement of being able to destroy every universe in the multiverse, which is infinite, and Ganthet being a member of the Quintessence, a group of beings tasked to shield the Multiverse from Perpetua should help back up this scope of power for the Guardians, since Ganthet is a Guardian. Kyle obviously upscales from his Green Lantern form, which is pretty solidly herald due to consistently being comparable to the likes of Wonder Woman or Superman, the former of which can destroy universes in her fight with Pre-Crisis Shazam, and the latter of which can harm Aethyr, the creator of the Phantom Zone, which houses universes within it. Kyle makes a jump to low skyfather level since he’s comparable to the likes of Larfleeze, who the Guardians themselves compared in power to the Parallax entity. This all being said, I think it’s relatively safe to say that Simon is a good bit stronger. If at minimum you compare white light energy vs spiral energy, I think both are pretty good sources of energy, since Kyle can use Blue Lantern hax to amplify his rings charge past 100% to greater lengths since he can tap into the entire Emotional Spectrum, thereby amping his strength, but it won’t be too much of a game changer since Simon is still that much stronger and can end the fight in close quarters if TTGL were to fail otherwise. Durability should also follow suit. Kyle can survive reality destabilizing attacks from Oblivion, his counterpart, and the Lantern rings have been said by the New Gods to be able to travel to the Source Wall and back, and his durability should also fall under Multi+, especially with force fields. Simon would also be a good bit more durable since the sheer size of TTGL alone is enough to make it hard for Kyle to really pierce anything. The sheer size of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann outright dwarfs our observable universe, with some estimates putting it at 3.3 times more volume than our own. Tied into the fact that Kyle will be pressured by things like Super Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Break, it’ll be somewhat hard to overpower Simon’s sheer physical size.

In terms of speed, it should be relatively even. Both are immeasurable in speed in my opinion. TTGL is hard to measure in overall attack speed, but seeing it’s sheer size, for all we know it’s arms could be punching over 50 trillion light years worth of distances in a few instances. Kyle himself should scale to feats such as Wonder Woman hitting Hunter Zolomon in stopped time, or Shazam travelling between atoms back to the Big Bang or flying outside of space and time to reach the Rock of Eternity. That and his time as a Green Lantern showed him pretty comparable to Wally West in speed. Obviously now he would by no means scale to an unmoored Wally, but he was certainly up there. Overall I think I’d put Kyle a bit faster, that and the fact that since he is a smaller object, naturally hitting him will be like a human trying to hit a fly.

In terms of the overall main hax, at a glance there isn’t anything too notable advantage-wise between the two. Kyle’s main advantages in terms of hax lie within his standard Lantern abilities more than anything. His hax as a White Lantern are useful, but not exactly built for a combat situation like this. Life manipulation is meant to restore, clairvoyance is of no help, life connection is also of no help, etc. At most, healing is his best shot, since he had it before as a Green Lantern, but is arguably more enhanced as a White Lantern. In terms of his Emotional Spectrum hax, I’ll go over how each one will affect Simon.

Rage- Nothing really will likely affect Simon here. Kyle has corrupted people with rage before, but not to any extent of being able to control them, if anything he’s used it to make others stronger, which basically just lessens his chance of winning if he uses it on Simon. Napalm breath, rage telepathy, and other things won’t help either.

Avarice/Greed- This one’s flat out useless. It’s theoretical he can make constructs via soul manipulation or DNA coding similar to how Larfleeze does it, but we’ve never seen him really do that before, so at most I can imagine it being a small annoyance to something like TTGL.

Fear- Simon and Kyle have both been through hell, and I can’t imagine Simon succumbing much to Kyle’s fear/nightmare constructs designed to feed Kyle fear. Seeing as Kyle was able to escape the Multiversal Labyrinth, I doubt fear constructs will do much to him.

Willpower- This one helps Kyle, but not in a way that affects the battle. Kyle has great feats of willpower, such as recreating his own Green Lantern ring out of sheer will or being able to resist the influence and mind control of the Parallax entity itself, but Simon to my knowledge doesn’t use mind hax in any regard or way that would affect Kyle.

Hope- Of all the Emotional Spectrum hax, this one I believe is the most useful. It allows Kyle to fill himself with hope, since normal Blue Lanterns can use hope to charge a Green Lantern ring by an extra 100% or even greater, ranging all the way up to 300%. This can help Kyle increase his physical stats, since he is controlling all of the shades on the Emotional Spectrum, including Green. 

Compassion- Not much can be done here. He can use teleportation, but he had that already as a Green Lantern. Spectrum emulation won’t help much at all since it allows Indigo’s to replicate the light/powers of other Lanterns but Kyle...already has the other Lanterns powers.

Love- Like I said before, Kyle already has healing abilities. Can’t see any of these, nor mind manipulation or true love’s sight (although Simon kinda cute) doing anything to Simon that would notably affect him. Crystallization potentially could work, but it wouldn’t hold Simon for long.

Simon’s probability manipulation and resistance to it I think also negates Kyle’s ability to time travel, something Green Lanterns have been shown capable of doing before, since the probability missiles perceived the Anti-Spiral on a higher plane of existence, who was attacking incognito and through points in time, making Kyle unable to go back in time to do anything to Simon. The only real way I can see Kyle having an advantage over Simon is energy absorption, and being able to absorb all the spiral energy from Simon, something Simon I think can overcome via how much stronger he is. Last thing I want to address is there is a misconception about TTGL having abstract existence that I want to bring up. For reference, abstract existence is essentially existing as an abstract, thought, or concept in such a way that you cannot die or be killed by physical means and essentially have immortality. The argument goes that since TTGL is materialized thought, it is essentially all around non-corporeal. Personally, I am of the opinion that it more than likely isn’t the case. Granzeboma explicitly was made to fight on an even playing field to TTGL and the mech was physically being moved around in their fight, so I don’t think it is completely non-corporeal. 

In conclusion, I can’t see Kyle having any real way around this. Energy absorption, speed, and self-amplified stats are Kyle’s best bet, but overall fall short against Simon’s greater strength, comparable speed, sheer size and pressure, and probability attacks that essentially make it hard for Kyle to kill Simon, let alone hit him. Thus, in heaven-piercing fashion, Simon the Digger will spiral his way through the will of the White Lantern. 

Thank you all so much for this opportunity given to talk about this match-up. I’ll be serving a two year mission on July 26th, and will be signing off Discord and the debating community as a whole for those two  years. I’ll be back but for now, thank you so much to the folks at G1 for letting me do this in advance. And thank you to Phantom, Nemesis, Dek, Js, Time, Akhil, Cyber, and everyone who has helped make this debate so monumental and fun to me.